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It loses its charm when light gives up the death note


In ep 16 when light gives up the death note the show sort of loses its charm that it got from the rivalry and psychopath-ness of light anyone agree?

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I think this is a universal thought and it nearly splits the season into a before/after scenario

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While the tone does change and the series seems to go a new direction, it is just delayed satisfaction: when Light gets the Death Note back and his whole plan is revealed it shows how monstrous and brilliant he really is.

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It's worth it JUST for the payoff when he gets the Death Note back. Although I'd say the quality drops around episode 12 when Misa and Rem are introduced. People just don't seem to really notice until later. The first 11 episodes will always be the best to me.

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I don't know, I think the middle part is what makes the anime a tragedy. You see how Light could have possibly been a good person. He genuinely hated Kira. When his memories returned it was as if the good was ripped out of him all over again.

What could Light have been if he had never found the Death Note?

Everyone that used the Death Note became evil. Ryuk knew this when he dropped it on Earth for his entertainment, but that was the point. He wanted the chaos and excitement. He wanted Light's soul.

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. You see how Light could have possibly been a good person. He genuinely hated Kira. When his memories returned it was as if the good was ripped out of him all over again.



Yeah. Decides to kill a police detective like a few days after getting the note book. But suddenly when he doesn't have the notebook he magically condones killing?

How does he despise Kira yet his personality BEFORE getting the Death Note became Kira to begin with? It's circular reasoning.

I'm not picking on you...just showing how convenient his memory loss personality was to help advance the plot...

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It's not perfect but the point would be that Light was corrupted the instant he used the Death Note, and that's why he began murdering innocents so early in the series.

The Death Note took Lights natural instinct for justice and pushed it to their extreme ends (absolute power corrupting absolutely and all). Without the Death Note Light was less willing to risk innocents than L was.

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The only issue is that NOTHING at all suggests the Death Note supernaturally corrupts you to become bad. Like once you touch it and all of a sudden you're bad or corrupted like Lord of the Rings with the Ring. It's just a notebook that can kill people. It doesn't physically transform you.

If it was the Death Note's fault [literally] then that detracts one of the main theme's of the show / manga. You know..Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, like you said. Instead, your theory takes the blame mostly on the book itself and not human nature.


Thus, his post-amnesia personality still doesn't make sense.

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The only issue is that NOTHING at all suggests the Death Note supernaturally corrupts you to become bad. Like once you touch it and all of a sudden you're bad or corrupted like Lord of the Rings with the Ring. It's just a notebook that can kill people. It doesn't physically transform you.


This isn't entirely correct, necessarily. Ryuk implies several times that everyone who holds a Death Note is cursed; this could mean cursed to misery, which he states when Light's father dies, but it could also means cursed to other things, such as corruption, and that does not conflict with the theme of human nature as much as you might think for reasons I'll extrapolate below.

If it was the Death Note's fault [literally] then that detracts one of the main theme's of the show / manga. You know..Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, like you said. Instead, your theory takes the blame mostly on the book itself and not human nature.


Thus, his post-amnesia personality still doesn't make sense.


Light questions himself a couple of times when he has no memory of the Death Note. He asks himself more than once if L's theory could be correct, asks himself if he would bring himself to kill in order to stop crime. In his monologue he says he doesn't think himself capable of it, but he sounds unsure.

The point is that, when given power, common and even good people can instantly flip and turn bad. Look up the Stanford Pirson Experiment: people went crazy after a couple of DAYS out of a planned weeks-long program. The experiment was stopped because the effects were IMMEDIATE and SEVERE--two days was all it took for primal, violent, and sociopathic behavior to begin to show. People are far more fickle than optimists and moralists would like to think, regardless of education or intellect.

The Death Note's power to kill is an instantly corrupting influence in and of itself. It does not influence Light's behavior directly (no hypnosis, mind control, etc), yet its effect on his actions and outlook IS almost immediate, and that is NOT a contradiction OR far-fetched given similar real-life examples.

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This isn't entirely correct, necessarily. Ryuk implies several times that everyone who holds a Death Note is cursed; this could mean cursed to misery, which he states when Light's father dies, but it could also means cursed to other things, such as corruption, and that does not conflict with the theme of human nature as much as you might think for reasons I'll extrapolate below.


No, it's pretty correct. There's nothing that says when you touch the notebook your perception of free will is modulated by the power of the book in any supernatural sense. When he speaks of 'cursed' he's obviously referring to the psychological impacts of using it to your own whims. It was a clever double entandre. Nothing suggests an actual, supernatural change in your behavior. Otherwise, this would've been noted.

and while this doesn't 'conflict' with human nature themes it would certainly downplay it alot which is and of itself is iffy for the context of the premise. which is what I emphasized on.


Light questions himself a couple of times when he has no memory of the Death Note. He asks himself more than once if L's theory could be correct, asks himself if he would bring himself to kill in order to stop crime. In his monologue he says he doesn't think himself capable of it, but he sounds unsure.



He sounds unsure but he's leaning towards ambiguity more than anything. Funny, for someone who was so cunning to murder a police detective just a few days after grabbing the notebook.

The point is that, when given power, common and even good people can instantly flip and turn bad. Look up the Stanford Pirson Experiment: people went crazy after a couple of DAYS out of a planned weeks-long program. The experiment was stopped because the effects were IMMEDIATE and SEVERE--two days was all it took for primal, violent, and sociopathic behavior to begin to show. People are far more fickle than optimists and moralists would like to think, regardless of education or intellect.


The Stanford Prison experiment is flawed. for reasons I won't go into since that's a totally different story, entirely. But your Stanford prison analogy is linked to the emphasis on human nature trumping the mystical nature of the book changing one's behavior. So theoretically, yes, you are in agreement with me.


The Death Note's power to kill is an instantly corrupting influence in and of itself. It does not influence Light's behavior directly (no hypnosis, mind control, etc), yet its effect on his actions and outlook IS almost immediate, and that is NOT a contradiction OR far-fetched given similar real-life examples.


Again, that doesn't mean it physically transforms or corrupts your mind via mind control, persuasion, etc. The immediacy is irrelevant in so far as the immediacy of genetic predisposition or environment.

Ie: Light already exhibited sociopathic traits pre-DN and thus, the book just amplified it to the next level. not physically, but psychologically.

so I really don't know what you're arguing with me about.


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