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The REAL Deal with Lewis Episodes


I recently was privileged to see a completely uncut (i.e. British Version) of the Season 1 episode of EXPIATION the other night. I discovered that there were whole passages of dialogue and action missing from the American PBS/Masterpiece version that made this episode sooo much better and more effectively explained actions and motivations of the characters.** Well I had heard abut this practice of "wholesale excising" long ago and always bear in mind that what we see in the States is not how they saw it in Britain.

So here is my question: has anyone ever seen the completely uncut version of my favorite episode of Lewis - Season 2 Episode 3 "LIFE BORN OF FIRE" ?? What dialogue or action was missing in the American version? Would the replacement of those cuts change to story materially?? And if such a version does exist, any place I might be able to watch it/download it online?

**See the UK versions of Endeavour's "Sway" and "Ride" to hammer this point home.

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All the Lewis episodes are cut significantly and in some episodes it really makes a difference in the mystery. Other cuts include Robbie/Laura and Robbie/James scenes and scenes like that which don't really make a difference in the outcome of the investigation.

You can buy the complete collection, minus the last season which PBS will be showing (cut up) in August, on Amazon for around $60. The box says it's the Full UK-length edition and it includes all the parts cut on PBS. I have it and it is wonderful to see the complete show the way the writers meant it to be seen.

Amazon started selling the "Official UK Edition" individual DVD's starting with Series 4. If you try to buy individual DVD's of the Pilot or Series 1 through 3, you'll get the "As Seen on Public Television" edition which includes the cuts. The only way to get the uncut Pilot through Series 3 DVD's are in the complete collection or if you buy them through Amazon UK. You can sometimes find Lewis episodes on YouTube but they come and go because of copyright laws.

I haven't seen the cut version of Life Born of Fire since the original showing. What questions did you have about it? Maybe I can answer them if the answers are in the scenes that were cut.

PBS seems to cut everything they show from the UK or Australia and it's very frustrating. These mysteries are complicated enough without us not seeing all the clues. I really wish PBS would find another way to get in their "ads" and sponsor information!

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I haven't seen the cut version of Life Born of Fire since the original showing. What questions did you have about it? Maybe I can answer them if the answers are in the scenes that were cut.


I am assuming you meant to say the uncut version since it originally aired.

But that does beg the question: was a repeat of the uncut version ever shown in re-broadcast anywhere that you know? I ask because as I say I have been watching a few uncut Season 2 episodes and this particular episode is the only one I have not seen in its unedited version and I am wondering why they are holding it back.

My other questions about the episode are: did they lose and/or majorly cut down some character part?? (I saw this happen in the episodes WHOM THE GODS WOULD DESTROY and MUSIC TO DIE FOR) and Was any music changed in the UK version?? (I know were not talking about this show specifically but it is just crazy how they change ENDEAVOUR's songs I mean c'mon SWAY without "Sway"?? WTF???? )

I am sure I have other questions about it but I hold out no great hope that anyone here really has access to any source that may hold all the answers.

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I haven't seen the cut version of Life Born of Fire since the original showing. What questions did you have about it? Maybe I can answer them if the answers are in the scenes that were cut.


I am assuming you meant to say the uncut version since it originally aired.

But that does beg the question: was a repeat of the uncut version ever shown in re-broadcast anywhere that you know? I ask because as I say I have been watching a few uncut Season 2 episodes and this particular episode is the only one I have not seen in its unedited version and I am wondering why they are holding it back.

My other questions about the episode are: did they lose and/or majorly cut down some character part?? (I saw this happen in the episodes WHOM THE GODS WOULD DESTROY and MUSIC TO DIE FOR) and Was any music changed in the UK version?? (I know were not talking about this show specifically but it is just crazy how they change ENDEAVOUR's songs I mean c'mon SWAY without "Sway"?? WTF???? )

I am sure I have other questions about it but I hold out no great hope that anyone here really has access to any source that may hold all the answers.

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I actually did mean the cut version because I watched the original cut version on PBS the first time it was shown and then didn't watch the episodes again until I owned the set of uncut shows. Where did you see the uncut Season 2 episodes? PBS doesn't show them uncut ever. As for watching the individual episodes on Amazon Prime (not free at the moment) or Netflix (not available at the moment), I think they show the cut versions through Series 3 and the uncut versions from Series 4 on. Virginiana is correct and the best way to know whether you're watching a cut or uncut version is whether it says Inspector Lewis or just Lewis at the beginning of the show.

As to what was cut, it varies. In The Indelible Stain, there is a whole red herring thread that is cut from the story. It's actually too bad because it's a funny scene with Lewis and Hathaway and two funny, elderly women. I don't remember another show where a whole thread was cut though. Most of the time, it's not as noticeable as that. They try to take a few minutes here and there. Oftentimes, scenery is cut out and more than once, a Robbie/Laura scene is cut. They do sometimes cut things that make the outcome confusing. Once you see the uncut version, it makes more sense. They often don't do a very good job of cutting. As I mentioned before, these mysteries are hard enough to figure out and understand without cutting out needed information. I don't think any music was changed but I wouldn't swear to it.

At one time, someone on the internet was listing all the cut parts in each episode as it was shown. I don't remember where it was but maybe it would show up if you did a search. I think that's exactly what you're looking for. It's just too bad that PBS thinks it needs to cut such quality programming.

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At one time, someone on the internet was listing all the cut parts in each episode as it was shown. I don't remember where it was but maybe it would show up if you did a search. I think that's exactly what you're looking for. It's just too bad that PBS thinks it needs to cut such quality programming.


Yes, I did that for 3 seasons I think, when I decided I didn't want to miss things and went ahead and bought the uncut series from Amazon UK. I titled my posts Missing Minutes, along with name of the episode but sadly, because it was several years ago, they went away in the purges that IMDB does periodically to older posts.

Really, you miss a lot with the PBS cuts. My (unsolicited) advice is get a region free dvd player and buy from Amazon UK.

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First, I have been meaning to thank all of you who replied to this thread. Its always nice to get other folks point of view about episodes you have only seen alone and have not discussed with anyone else.

Second, I have since acquired and watched several times the full ITV U.K. version of this episode. It was probably one of the better decisions I have made in my life...TV wise. This episode makes so much more sense when you see it intact. Especially in regards to how thorough the character of Will was. His demise may have been a suicide but it was no "accident". It is quite interesting to see how the investigation is pushed along from beyond the grave by his own pre-demise preparations.

For my money, any TV show that is filmed in such a way that acknowledges that there is a "4th wall" to break is always a brilliant thing. It is made quite clear to us on the other side of this wall that something is up as we are allowed to see the guilty expressions on Hathaway's face whenever his boss is not looking directly at him. It is obvious that Hathaway is holding back a great deal from Lewis right at the outset but we don't know exactly how much until the end. Conversely, we see Lewis' increasing doubts about Hathaway and his shocked looks whenever new revelations about James are brought forth by the suppoting players as they are being interviewed.

Many character parts and/or decriptions were cut down in the PBS version for no good reason that one can see other than to further muddle an already complicated storyline:
Lady Hugh was perhaps the most savagely cut part in the whole episode. The bits removed said a lot more about her attitude. She was at Will's funeral and she was even interviewed by JonJo before she was killed.

The character of JonJo had a fair few minutes of screentime taken away that explained much about himself (check out his computer screensaver) and his relationship with Will. His "lovely reading" commented upon by Hathaway later is actually shown in its entirety.

A "walk and talk" scene excised between Lewis and Hathaway details how wide a net Lewis was willing to cast as he wanted more information on Lady Hugh, Sadie McEwan, Zoe Kenneth, Charlie Newton the journalist, and Feardorcha Phelan thinking that Will's death might be the result of a collaborative effort.

Will's mom, Sadie McEwan, loses an entire scene which showed us that she knew her son a lot better than PBS would have us believe. She also gave credence to Lewis' voiced frustrations about the suspicious parallel timelines of Will's and James' life changing actions that he famously confronts Hathaway about.

Nova Rose loses a crucial scene with DI Lewis that was quite enlightening. Her commentary characterizing Feardorcha Phelan as an "Irish nut job" was a line that would have explained a lot to the audience that he was evidently a force to be reckoned with even way back when.

And Mr. Cooper the Allotment Manager's raison d'etre was finally made clear. Seriously, for the life of me I could not figure out why he was even in the show at all. However, when you view his missing scene showing him offering Lewis "a cuppa and a chat" as he is tilling his patch of land makes you realize that the writers have sort of used him in place of Laura Hobson as a way of helping Lewis answer his own questions about his personal relationship with Hathaway. This missing scene is placed right after Robbie shows some of his frustration at receiving yet another evasive answer from James after Will's funeral. Mr. Cooper, for his part, wants to get to the bottom of why a man like Lewis wants to work an allotment anyway.

But still for all of the questions that were cleared up for me, minor puzzles do creep up:

At the very beginning of the episode, was Zoe Kenneth in the club because she was waiting for Will? Or was she only there because she had looked everywhere else? All thru the program everyone kept saying how they thought Will was trying keep Zoe away from everyone which was probably why JonJo looked so stunned to see her there.

Did Will's father finally accept the fact that his son was irretrievably gay and opened COMMUNION as a gay friendly hangout in order to be closer to him? And did he know about Will's girlfriend? Or did Sadie keep it from him? Is it my imagination or did Will's father "throw shade" at Hathaway when he stopped in the middle of his tirade about Will's lifestyle choices to acknowledge the tall, good looking blond guy as probably another in a string of men who led his son along?? Particularly telling, after Hathaway acknowledges that they had met before, is Henry's comment "Well why wasn't he happy?" AKA "You're male, tall, not faggy looking, AND 'he thought the world of you' so why didn't you do for him?"

How did the Reverend King know Zoe Kenneth? Was he the only one who knew her secret?

Did Hathaway have Feardorcha's phone number already on his cell phone because he used to call him when he couldn't get a hold of Will?? Or was it for another reason? Why was every call from Feardorcha to James always accompanied by heavy breathing?

The relationship between Zoe and James was quite interesting. Did James desire Zoe because she had been close to Will? Might the fact that she seemed to desire him right back may have been for the same reasons as Hathaway's -- because he had been close to Will too? Was the story she told Hathaway about how she and Will met the real one? I am always amused when watching this episode is the look of triumph on her face as she parades Hathaway thru COMMUNION with her as if to say "Envy me , Bitches!! I got a new man"

When and how was it deceided that Robbie and James would go undercover (??) at the Gay Pride March?? The scene of Lewis and Hathaway speaking in the garden with Zoe K ends and jumps straight to them walking in the Pride March. And when they finally get to the pub Zoe doesnt seem surprised at all to see them there. Probably another edit that did not make the UK or US version would have explained this. Another likely phantom edit: After the epic argument between Robbie and James, the edit that shows Lewis going back to the nick, putting on his tie, finding out Feardorcha's prints are on the note from James' back, putting the protection team on Hathaway, sitting down at his desk and losing his tie all before Supt. Innocent comes into his office.

Was the reason that Zoe Kenneth has that angry look on her face after she observes Robbie holding onto James and preventing him from going back with her to the burning flat was because she realized that James was loved greater by Robbie, who tho callously and stupidly betrayed by Hathaway, was literally willing to walk thru fire for him? Did she realize too late that Will had never really loved her that much at all?

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BBB --

There is an easy, foolproof way to tell if the episode you're watching is the original, uncut British ITV version or the PBS butchery.

The show was called LEWIS on ITV, and the title slide calls it that. Just "LEWIS".

PBS retitled it INSPECTOR LEWIS when they broadcast it in the USA (with cuts), so they replaced the title slide with one reading "INSPECTOR LEWIS".

Would that it was always so easy to tell the difference with other British shows mutilated by PBS. Heck, an entire subplot about a missing snuffbox was excised from the first season of Downton Abbey!

Public libraries often have the DVDs of these shows. Your local library might have Life Born of Fire on DVD. If the title slide says "Lewis", you know you're viewing the genuine and unmutilated article.

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Will there be an Inspector Hathaway series? I hope there will be.

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So here is my question: has anyone ever seen the completely uncut version of my favorite episode of Lewis - Season 2 Episode 3 "LIFE BORN OF FIRE" ?? What dialogue or action was missing in the American version? Would the replacement of those cuts change to story materially?? And if such a version does exist, any place I might be able to watch it/download it online?

I own the whole boxed set of Lewis, and there are indeed some lines excised from Life Born of Fire from the American TV version. It's been a while since I've watched that episode, and I don't remember exactly what was cut out, but it was the place where Lewis is asking Hathaway why he and Feardocha had their falling out. Hathaway blurts out something about immoral physical acts between men (next time I watch it, I'll come here and quote precisely). Whatever it is Hathaway says is definitely missing from the TV version.

I've watched all of the seasons multiple times, on PBS and on disk, and that's the only place where it really jumped out at me that something had been cut out of the TV version. (I can only speak about the American TV version.)

If that's your favorite episode, maybe you can buy just that episode from AcornTV or from Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/gok7pnx One season is about $20, which is not prohibitively expensive.

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