Only good for young girl watchers
The acting and storyline was poor, but if you are into watching young half naked girls then it is okay.
shareI have also had good results watching this movie with young girls.
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MovieChat Forums > Naissance des pieuvres (2007) Discussion > Only good for young girl watchers
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Why are there so many French arty movies that are only for watching very young girls. Is France full of dirty old men?
shareI love the way people say all films that happen to feature a story involving early to mid-teenage girls learning about their own sexuality must always equal some kind of perversion.
As if such girls of this age, and their sexuality, is a just a means for men (or even lesbians) of any age to get-off on.
It's insulting to men, as if it's all we can think of when seeing them (and lesbians for the same reason), but more importantly, it's just as insulting to girls of this age, as if their sexuality is just a way of performing to male viewers appetites.
Only the small minded people, who don't seem to deal with girls of this age in their own lives, so think that such stories must be straight-up pornographic.
If they were boys of the same age, would such idiotic immature comments be thrown about? Certainly not as much, for sure.
...And no, a tiny percentage of films in France (or non-US mainstream, world cinema, for that matter), deal with issues involving teenage girls sexuality. Mainly avoided for this very reason; being accused of appealing to others so-called sexual desires.
I'm sorry to be the one to point this out to you but boys and girls are different. We can make laws to make things equal, try to pretend it doesn't exist but in the end women will always be the sex objects and men always the ones trying to possess those objects.
Photographers like Robert Mapplethorpe tried to make men become sex objects and it just plain didn't work. That's just the way the world works. I think people's complaints about these kinds of movies is they seem to almost be a dime a dozen in France and the only theme they all seem to have is the exploitation of the extremely young actresses that star in them. Some are good and very worth watching, some simply use art as an excuse to sell sex. The obvious viewer of "art" films are matured adults with the subjects of these types of movies being little more than children. Granted all these films are different and can't be covered with the same blanket, because some are wonderful films about sexual awakening, but does it ALWAYS have to be a 14 or 15 year old girl? Why never about a boy? Why never about a girl who develops later on? It's always the same thing and it seems so prevalent that the only reason these films are made is to sell sex under the guise of art and to assuage people's guilt about seeking out these kinds of films because they simply love artistic films.
I'm not bashing this movie, because I haven't seen it, but I am bashing the fact that the French movie industry really thinks this story hasn't been told before because I am pretty sure it has been.
"I'm sorry to be the one to point this out to you but boys and girls are different. We can make laws to make things equal, try to pretend it doesn't exist but in the end women will always be the sex objects and men always the ones trying to possess those objects."
UGH. Yes, I'm sure you are the very first person to pose this REVOLUTIONARY idea to the original poster, and not, you know, just making a statement that reenforces the status quo.
"I'm not bashing this movie, because I haven't seen it, but I am bashing the fact that the French movie industry really thinks this story hasn't been told before because I am pretty sure it has been."
Because hollywood is so much better? As if I haven't seen the same story line done and re-done over and over in American Films? Not to say that that is necessarily bad, it's not as if there is anything completely unique anymore.
"I haven't seen the film, but..." -type comments are not valid. See the film, THEN comment. Not the other way around. That's how criticism works.
Additionally, your argument fails here that girls are different to boys by it's very premise. Of course they are, but does that mean they do not go through such sexual maturity, and does that mean such things should not be depicted on screen. Simple answer: yes they should.
Again, adults viewing this as sexualising pubescent girls, is like saying it doesn't happen or that such things should never be portrayed on film. Let's be clear, this is not pornographical to modern standards in any way, hence this is more a problem immature adults/non-worldly parents have, rather than anything the film makers are doing.
Your assertion that young boys are never sexually portrayed is also not sustainable. They have been and continue to be in film. Women physically mature that bit early than most men, that's yet another one of the simplistic reasons the accusers band around the "too young" stigma on stories about girls sexual maturity.
The problem here doesn't lie with French cinema's open-minded approach to such matters, but rather Hollywoods narrow-mindedness on this topic, for fear of stepping-over some imaginary line in the minds of the exec producers. This is nothing compared with other films Hollywood has rightly made about young boys early sexual lives, and I suggest harveythepooka hasn't seen much French/world cinema, because if he/she had, they'd have known that much open-minded stuff crosses the "cute & cudly" line, lol.
(ever seen Gasper Noé's "Irréversible" (2002) [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673] – you'd love that surely; perhaps not!)
You nailed it. People who comment on movies they haven't seen have nothing of value to say about those movies. It is the equivalent of someone reviewing a book they haven't read.
The comment about what the "French film industry" has been told is equally ridiculous. Writers and directors make the films they want to make; they aren't part of some "industry" conspiracy. And who exactly was supposed to have told the French what kind of movies they should and should not make?
I enjoy French and other European movies because they delve into aspects of people's lives that most American films don't. There is an endless variety of subject matter they touch on, not just half-naked young girls. Anyone who truly watches foreign films knows this, and doesn't talk in stereotypes. There is more to good cinema than car chases and things blowing up.
Oh, and my 2 13 year-old nieces loved this film. I was fascinated to see them actually watch a movie with subtitles.
"Is France full of dirty old men?"
Obviously that must be director Céline Sciamma's first concern when she makes movies.
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