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Accurate portrayal of undeserving poor in America


I realise that it is often annoying when people bring politics into movies, especially when it is extremely irrelevant. In my view, I think this movie happens to be so accurate that I felt it relevant. But you are free to disagree and not read this if you choose to be offended.



The movie portrays them quite justly, I think. The poor in developed countries are not necessarily poor because they commit crimes or do not work at all. They are poor primarily because they choose to make poor life choices.

Throughout the film, both Amy Adams and her father made terrible choices (I write Norah off as being beyond hope). They faced numerous decisions within the movie, and almost unfailingly they chose the easy way out every time. Whatever it was that was more convenient and comfortable rather than manning up and doing the right thing.

It is one thing if you are rich. Rich people can afford to act out and indulge in excessive luxuries in terms of decision making, because they have the resources to pay for either the cost of said decisions or the consequences stemming from them.

But despite the fact that Amy Adams was so poor, she still constantly chose to make expensive life choices. So, I think it is an accurate portrayal. Because it didn’t excessively demonise her, but it did show how she was almost solely responsible for her poverty.

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And that is why I rather disagree with government welfare. Sure, the individual may be in need of help. But just because people are in need of help, doesn't mean that they should get help.

Sometimes the right thing to do is to let them suffer in pain and agony to encourage them to make better choices. Even to the extent where they literally die.

Genuine cases where the individual has led a consistent life of virtue and hard work and yet still needed significant welfare would be rather rare. Most poor people have not led such a life of merit. Many middle-class people haven't either, but they aren't the ones asking for a handout.

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I can't disagree with you more. You seriously watched this movie and didn't find any humanity in yourself?

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I did, but little so than most people.

If you want a handout, I expect that you tried hard but failed. Not trying hard enough means that you shouldn't get a handout, in my view. It is ok to me if this means that you die of hunger.

In America, considering how rich it is, most people who give it a decent try are ok.

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Coincidentally, I'm playing through Bioshock 1 and 2 remastered and the Ayn Rand themes are spot on.
In America, you can work full time and still need foodstamps to survive. I don't even want to know what your definition of "working hard" means if this movie didn't give you an idea. lol

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In America, you can work full time and still need foodstamps to survive
Too little, too late. If you were lazy during school and didn't get a good education, it is too late for regrets later on. And no, you don't need foodstamps to survive. You can just tighten your belt or take on a second shift. Can be done.



definition of "working hard"
I am a extreme hardliner. I expect near flawless dedication to consider it as working sufficiently hard.

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To me they were more the victims of their environnment. Don't forget the movie put the emphasis on the fact that their mother commited suicide or at least died next to them when they were little girls. It's kind of messing you up and so they made poor social choices after and got locked up:

1. Amy Adams getting pregnant and trapped in a no future relation chasing for love;
2. Emily Blunt, having sex for no apparent Reason (not even pleasure) and being erratic;
3. The father acting weird;

Nonetheless, they were still trying to go up socially. Don't know what hard work is for you but cleaning is no easy job and they even tried to start their own business. Plus it's not super easy when your a single mother. The movie was interesting because it was showing some kind of message like "you can't escape your social conditions". That was before the happy ending of course.

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