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Did Anyone Else Read the Ending This Way?


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Wow, I think I may be the only person who read the ending this way.

I thought Sophie was dead. I thought her husband killed her on the stairway by beating her up. I thought that the sequence of her going to the immigrant's apartment was a dream / heaven. I thought Sophie and the kid on the beach, and the smug new pregnancy, and the goofy smile on her face, and the absence of a man, was heaven.

I thought that the closeup on the word "Never" after the fade out, and the title "Never Forever" clinched it.

I thought that the fish were all about that, too -- sort of an Eastern transmigration of souls read. The fish leave the vastness of the ocean and come to earth for a while -- our souls leave eternity and enter a new body -- and then, for salvation to happen, our souls have to leave our bodies and reunite with the vastness of space -- go back to the ocean.

I could be totally wrong, given all the good posts here that argue for Sophie and the kid being in Korea, and Sophie being with the immigrant.

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I thought the absence of the boyfriend was odd, but I didn't take away from the ending that she had died. Interesting angle though.



These eggs have yellow eyes. But if I turn them, the yellow is gone.

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I agree with your theory. Especially since the child showed no Korean features which makes me think in her mind, as she stated to Andrew the child was just hers! And the fact that she is pregnant when she had no man makes me thinks it is a dream sequence she had as she was dying. In addition, when he was taken from his room he did not have the nice bedspread she found there when she went back, he used a payphone to make calls yet there was a cell on the table. A cell, that it appeared he was calling from jail at the exact time she was in the room. Reminds me of the ambiguous end of The Piano.

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Especially since the child showed no Korean features which makes me think in her mind, as she stated to Andrew the child was just hers!



You red into it too much.if you google eurasian babies, most of them look like the one in the movie so the child did indeed look asian. When they're half white of course they're not going to look prominately asian. As for the other thing, you took it way out of context Sophie mean "biologically" that the child wasn't Andrew’s, it was just her baby.

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Especially since the child showed no Korean features which makes me think in her mind, as she stated to Andrew the child was just hers!



You red into it too much.if you google eurasian babies, most of them look like the one in the movie so the child did indeed look asian. When they're half white of course they're not going to look prominately asian. As for the other thing, you took it way out of context Sophie mean "biologically" that the child wasn't Andrew’s, it was just her baby.

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I'm very quickly becoming a fan of Vera Farmiga. Bought this film used for 2.99 (because she's in it) and while I agree that the film is flawed, her performance elevates it to being a decent effort. As to the ending, I think your observation that she may be dead makes sense. First of all the husband is a rather distasteful individual. A malcontent who is always on the verge of "ending it all" and sadly, putting this lovely woman in the position of being responsible for giving him "a reason for living".

When he finds out about her "secret" (one of the weak moments in the film) it all comes together: 1. She's been unfaithful 2. The baby is not his 3. He really is firing blanks....So, if he was ready to commit suicide before, now he's ready for suicide and homicide.

Who is the child at the end of the film. Obviously he's not Asian and if I'm not mistaken, she told her husband that she knew she wasn't the reason for not being able conceive as she had been pregnant before. Perhaps the child was the child she had lost (abortion?) earlier in her life. The look of contentment and quiet joy in Vera's face is in direct contrast to the guilt, fear and loneliness she exhibited through much of the film. Lastly, the drawing of the sea and the sea at the end of the film represent a form of heaven and a connection between these two tragic characters.

It is my hope that this fine actress will not fall victim to Hollywood and the trash it can't help but churn out. The Departed and to a lesser degree, Orphan (Vera was very, very good in a film that only reached half its potential)are concerning examples of another great or promising talent potentially wasted. Another sad example is Virginia Madsen'S fine performance in Sideways it's been nothing but Botox and crap ever since.

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what about this film is flawed to you? I love the melodramatic
aspect of it and it seems to have a certain courage about it.

[inject cathexis]

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The guy called from jail while Sophie was in his apartment and she picked up the phone and looked at the photo of the beach on the wall....cut to the future...their kid is grown to about what 5?....and she is pregnant again....she is knitting and looks straight into the camera who is the immigrant Korean and they are on a beach like his photo....she got the 30k and left her husband...

Remember the caucasian looking kid who called her husband UNCLE when the immigrant came to the party....that kid was caucasian looking because his mother was white married to one of the Koreans at the party.

cut and dry

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It's a really interesting interpretation, but I choose not to see it that way. I've lived overseas with the military and have seen countless bi-racial children of Asian/Caucasion families that don't look remotely Asian. Genes are funny that way.

I personally think that she went back to his apartment and grabbed the money and when he called, they arranged to meet at the beach in the photo. He told her earlier in the movie it was a place he found peace. I think she met him there and that, though we didn't see him, they were together and rasing their children together.

I'll leave my love between the stars

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Interesting take, but not what the writer/director meant to convey.

Sophie moved to Korea with her lover/new husband (she's at his favorite beach); they had their son and now she is pregnant. You will also note the sapphire ring he picked out in the U.S., is on her left hand.

The director chose to visually leave him out, to purposely focus on her happiness and peace with her decision to "start over".

"Don't get chumpatized"! -The King of Kong (2007)

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I like this. I was hoping she finally got her happy ending. However the ring part comfuses me cause it doesn't look sapphire to me. But I love happy endings so I'm good with it.

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The ring has confused some people. Sapphire is a very dark blue - looks black in certain lighting. I think the director should've got a better shot of the ring...but at least we know that Sophie got her happy ending. :)

"Don't get chumpatized"! -The King of Kong (2007)

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even if one's happy ending leaves another devastated?

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The other deserved it. Sorry to break that to you dude. He deserves a divorce under Western religious, moral and legal tradition because: (1) he is impotent; (2) he committed suicide at the beginning, thereby betraying his family and his spouse; and (3) he insisted an abortion for her.

(1) is ground for nullification. (2) and (3) are grounds for divorce.

Clear?

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bump

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the hubby isn't impotent. he's just shooting blanks. and none of the above are grounds for divorce, if you actually needed grounds.

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Impotent equals shooting blanks. And racistbuster is right. According to his religion; she had every right and reason to leave him and get a divorce.

I thought the child in the end looked mixed. His brown hair and shiny eyes a mixture of Vera and her very anglo-saxon look and the good looking Chinest(supposed to be Korean) guy.

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You need to check a dictionary. "Impotent" means he can't get an erection. Shooting blanks = sterile.

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You're a retard. "Impotent" mean unable to "get it up"(simplifying it so that a retard such as you can understand it).

Hama cheez ba-Beer behtar meshawad!

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Furthermore, by your twisted logic, if a woman is barren, the man can go *beep* some other woman behind her back while pretending to be in a happy marriage with her. And then go on ahead and dump her ass. Imagine the feminazi whores responding to this kind of message.

You're pathetic.

Hama cheez ba-Beer behtar meshawad!

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Furthermore, by your twisted logic, if a woman is barren, the man can go *beep* some other woman behind her back while pretending to be in a happy marriage with her. And then go on ahead and dump her ass. Imagine the feminazi whores responding to this kind of message.
Sophie was most definitely a HO!

"Love isn't what you say or how you feel, it's what you DO". (The Last Kiss)

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Sophie was most definitely a HO!


If it was the other way around then nobody would be saying anything. Her husband wasn't always nice to her so he deserved everything he got.

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Thank you Jose. Said very well.

Vera Farmiga's character was reprehensible, as was the Korean illegal immigrant. Not the husband.

The husband was not the one cheating behind her back.

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The husband, rather than manning up and acknowledging his lack of sperm count, would rather be a pussy and kill himself. Highly honorable.

The wife, in attempting to keep her husband happy, learned No Good Deed Goes Unpunished in the eyes of the man who she was trying to keep happy.

In the end, she learned about fulfilling her own happiness. Imagine that?

And the husband, still has a low sperm count and if a baby = happiness, he will never achieve it.

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