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Father Melia Confession: What were the signs???


I was just wondering if anyone cares to pinpoint any outwardly gestures by Father Melia which indicated his feelings prior to the confession? I wish I had recorded the episodes so i could rewind and check myself.

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Ahh loads and loads of times! Right from the beginning you could tell I think. Then he went and told her he missed her when her marriage collapsed and she wouldn't go to Church. He told her about his childhood, told her she should find someone who appreciates her etc.

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Intriguing question! This has had me thinking too.

On reflection there are earlier moments which might point to his having the potential for 'feelings' regarding Iris - it's kind of circumstantial evidence, (but that is the hallmark of good TV writing I think), so please bear with me!

First, there is the incident with the seven orphans, when he cites the Hardy novel, Far From the Madding Crowd - which of itself I found interesting about HIM, that he was drawn to the notion of romance, and steadfast romantic love, even though he cited Oak's words in a different context (his own troubled, loveless childhood) .... this is not a 'gesture' but a sign that he runs deep emotionally (more so than I expected at this point).

Second, amidst his anger and sadness about the treatment of the orphans (their being split up) he indulges in a rather strange outburst at Iris - which clearly confuses and upsets her too - when he tells her to go and find someone to love. This is prompted by her observing his unhappiness (and an empty cup, which I presumed indicated he had been drinking alcohol of some form). Notably, soon after this incident, when she asks after him in church one day, he claims he is now happy, that he offered up his sadness to God who took it away (paraphrasing badly here). My reading of this was that he had indeed felt himself longing for love, prompted mainly by the Orphan incident which re-opened up his old emotional wounds of insecurity and neediness, and in turn, he was then drawn to Iris ... who is clearly devoted to him. So he pushed her away, urging her to find someone else .... and I wasn't convinced by his sudden re-discovered joviality either, but this must have been the moment he referred to during confession, when he claimed he had effectively put a lid on any feelings he might have had for Iris.

Third, he warns Iris against her harsh judgements of May's behaviour in getting pregnant. Iris indulges in a particularly self-righteous tirade at this point, and he bids her look deep into her own heart, saying 'we all' have had these feelings. This is a flaky point in response to your question, but it does show, I feel, at this stage, that he has acknowledged his own 'failing' (potentially) in this department, that he has contemplated loving a woman, and I felt he was also warning Iris off again to a degree (the shame of mutual, unspoken knnowledge) - because for all her moralising bluster, she is a very sensuous woman .....

Which is borne out I think by the fourth key moment, which precedes Father Melia's confession. He is clearly moved, almost angered I thought, by Iris's confession of passionate love for Jesus. Why? Because her reasoning is clearly bogged in the sensual, even the sexual, not the spiritual, when she claims she thinks of Jesus constantly, loving him as a 'man.' At least that is how I think Father Melia takes it, and this, in combination with her decision to take orders (become a bride of Christ effectively) is what prompts what can only be termed an emotional panic! Basically, she has elicited an emotional response from him, when he thought he could handle it, had faced it off for good. And again, he pushes her away by lying to her, telling her she has a vocation. It is this lie, which prompts the greatest panic of all, because he has to reason with himself, understand his own motives for trying to persuade Iris to go away from him - hence his confession.

If anything, of course, Iris's attempt to kill herself (which is surely the subconscious reasoning behind her making the snake bite her - and great symbolism there of course), in offering herself a choice of death or voluntary incarceration, is surely symptomatic of unresolved depression and (sexual) truama, following the Domingo debacle. I think Father Melia knows Iris better than anyone else in Lilies - even her beloved sisters - and he has recognised her confusion in this regard. Which is why he does not trust her motives for wanting to take orders - they are the product of her unresolved feelings.

He knows her better too because he sees Iris in more depth and breadth, beyond the purely functional, the family's surrogate mother - he is also seeing her as a woman, a good, kind, loving woman, and he can't help responding to that, because he is a very passionate man (think of his anger at the orphanage).

Sorry for the hugely long-winded post! I think this series is beautifully written, very subtle, very wonderful. And I love these characterisations.


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Woah. That was an impressive reply...!

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In purely TV serial terms, the guy is good looking, kind and they have a lot of on screen time together, which made it obvious from the start what would happen.

I love the show, haven't missed an episode, but it can be disappointingly clichéd. If the attraction had always been there but remained unspoken I think it would have been better, as soon as it is acknowledged it becomes a bit cheesy.

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'In purely TV serial terms, the guy is good looking, kind and they have a lot of on screen time together, which made it obvious from the start what would happen.' haha so true. Yeah it is getting predictable. Especially when Queenie said what she thought of Fr Melia and Iris was shocked and said that he was 'a Priest', obviously a way to make the fact he is not only a Priest get into Iris' thinking.

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How do you think the dynamics of their relationship will change now that father melia has changed his mind and refused to support her "vocation"? Iris was obviously confused and angry with his sudden change of heart. Do you think she will still become a nun with or without his support in season finale?

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I don't think she'll become a Nun...

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But she still doesn't know why he has 'changed' his mind, does she? So the next interesting thing will be if he tells her the truth - which I'm not sure he will. He can use her emotional conflict (the suicidal snake-bite) as a way out. If he did tell her his real feelings, then that would make for some interesting TV - but I'm not sure how it would turn out. Just because they have mutually strong feelings for each other, doesn't mean they will necessarily be together. Their relationship would be very taboo (and I'm speaking of a situation where he had quit the church), and they are both very committed to their religious beliefs. The romantic in me would like them to be together, but I somehow doubt that will be outcome unfortunately.

However, I don't think she will become a nun, because the way I saw it, by her father giving up Miss Bird, and enacting a sacrifice, she would be doing the same, as he effectively told her she wasn't going anywhere.

My only worry, however, is what will happen to Iris ... Ruby is sure to marry Hartmann (lucky her), and May, although burdened with an illegitemate child, will always have the love of Frank (not her ideal, I know ...), so I fear Iris being stuck with Dadda, who might still be resentful that he was not allowed to pursue his love for Miss Bird.

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Even if they do realise and admit their feelings, I don't think either would allow anything to happen, because of their faith. I'm guessing Iris will stay at home to help May? Perhaps. Who knows.
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Perhaps she would - although I could see May rather choosing to wed Frank, who she is fond of, rather than stick out a single life in ignominous circumstances. But yes, it is possible. Iris is a natural carer.

As for Iris and Father Melia, if there is to be some kind of resolution (and no Series Two to explore issues further) then it would require, I think, a mutual romance (which I'm guessing is the least likely option for numerous reasons), or one of them has to leave ... after all, Father Melia could be posted elsewhere, or request a move, to ensure he is never compromised.

I can't imagine everything staying as it is between them ... not indefinitely. Otherwise, why else has the storyline been created and developed so well in the first place? And certainly, and quite unexpectedly, this story has been ramped up during Episode 7, in good time for the final episode, so some kind of climax/resolution is now necessary. They can't leave it hanging.

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Just to point out, in the Radio Times, there is a listing of an actress for a REVEREND MOTHER - so it looks like Iris will take orders and become a nun after all!

I would be disappointed to be honest.

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Ohh, I did wonder if Iris would meet Father Melia's sisters at some point if she went through with this. [I might be mistaken but didn't he say they were sent to a convent?]

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I didn't know that,
There's also mention of a casting for a Canon Queenan, which might mean a character visiting or being visited by someone from the Catholic cathedral .... can't think why.
Even though it does look like Iris is going to try to be a nun still, is it possible that a Reverend Mother would be involved in a mooted 'adoption' process for May's baby?

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Yeah they were.
I reallly don't know, I'm going to just stop guessing and go with it...lol

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Interesting that you see the relationship as so telegraphed! Other people I know who are enjoying the show, have 'wondered' if something might be going on/happen, but were still surprised at Father Melia's confession (which I guess is also the reason for this thread).

I am inclined to agree that there have been lots of clues throughout, and to be honest, IMO, there is more unmistakeable chemistry between Father Melia and Iris than there ever was between May and Mr Brazendale - so yes, it's a cliche in the sense of forbidden love etc ... But, it has been so very well-done! It has never been cheesy or melodramatic. In fact it's been sensitively written. For me, Iris and Father Melia have become the most interesting and complex characters - apart perhaps from Dadda.

Plus, don't bank on their feelings being openly acknowledged - there's a lot to get through in the final episode, and this would open a whole new can of worms which would be hard to address in a single hour, on top of May's having her baby, Dadda's erratic behaviour, the ramifications of all that! I'm personally more interested in Iris's storyline, but I can see that it might become secondary to everything else going on.

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You are probably right about them not openly acknowledging their feelings. If they did the story would be a bit too much like the Thornbirds. Pity I really wanted this storyline resolved.

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Oh I agree with you! I would rather the story WAS resolved - and romantically too. Particularly as I don't have high hopes for a 2nd series. But I don't think it would be like the Thorn Birds, other than his being a priest - that was a hugely different type of story! Just because one or both parties of a 'romance' have been portrayed as a certain type in other romances before, doesn't mean we can't have new forms of that romance type. If every story had to be 100% original, there'd be no stories left to tell.

But I still do fear there is too much for them to cover next episode to give the Father Melia/Iris story the resolution it deserves.

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