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What the film doesn't address, nor does Caitlyn Jenner


Many straight men, who do not desire to be or act like a woman, love to crossdress for the erotic excitement. Almost everyone who doesn't do this or understand it, labels these men as "different" or "complicated" at the least, or perverted at the worst. I know liberal, tolerant, well educated women who when asked what they think of men who crossdress, simply say "it means he's gay."

The film does not address this phenomena, nor does Jenner. Because of repression, and an intolerant society, especially years ago, but slightly less now, crossdressing for sexual pleasure almost always meant "something is wrong with you sexually". I think it is very possible that the overwhelming pleasure of crossdressing some men feel, translates in their mind, mistakenly, that they need to be, or are actually, genetically female. Of course, some are correct. But my contention would be that many, if not most, simply get off sexually on crossdressing, and nothing more or deeper. No one, it appears to me, either talks about this disconnect, or believes it. I would also contend, that many men who crossdress, and admit it to a lover or wife, are often rejected, and that's a shame.

Caitlyn Jenner may be the perfect example of a heterosexual male who gets (extremely) turned on by wearing female clothes, but has somehow, likely because of an ignorant and intolerant 1960's and 1970's medical mislabeling, believed himself to be something much more complex. The urge to crossdress, especially with makeup, wigs and artificial breasts is "normal" sexual play, but many psychologists and so called sex experts, do not believe this. if you do it, you understand perfectly what I am saying. If you don't do it, and don't understand it, then you are going to disagree with me. How big is the segment of heterosexual men who like to, or love to, crossdress? Wow, who knows? Transgender is estimated at 0.6%, recently updated from 0.3%. But men who crossdress only for sexual pleasure, hmmm, my guess, 50%. Crazy, right? Okay, maybe 25%.

I don't judge C Jenner, I don't know her. But there is something incomplete about the inner workings. I'll write it off to "it's private," and "none of my business."

This film touched on the allure of the clothes themselves, and I know it takes the position that this was a female trapped in a mans body, and therefore, the operation was imperative. That's all good and fine. But with this film, and the current transgender awareness and movement, especially regarding Jenner, it seems to me the entire segment of men who crossdress for sexual pleasure only, are being ignored, or at the least, disregarded as not a dominant, or important sexual, or gender category. I believe the vast majority of open minded people know more about transgender struggles than they do about crossdressing as a sexual turn on.

Do I want to champion men who crossdress in private just for a sexual turn on, or with wives and girlfriends, again in private? Not really, these tendencies, or proclivities, are generally private, but not because they need to be, or want to be. I believe non transgender, non gay, men who crossdress (only) will never feel the need to be political about it. It's more akin to a sexual fantasy, like BDSM, which the recent 50 Shades film got completely wrong. Do I think this film and C Jenner overlook or ignore the allure of feminine clothes for straight men? No. But I do think a lot of people, maybe even liberal and tolerant, sophisticated people, do not understand that there is a huge difference between men who crossdress for pleasure, and men who may feel they are partly, or entirely female in a male body? Yes.

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Why would this film, or Caitlyn Jenner, address this when it has nothing to do with the film, nor Caitlyn Jenner? Two different topics. There's no reason for this film, or Jenner, to do so.


Time wounds all heels.

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I don't think are two different topics.

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Yes, they are. Lesbian and gay both deal with same sex attraction, but you'd not expect a movie talking about lesbians to preach about gay men.

It's a movie loosely based on real life events. Period.

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Do you understand that this is a story about specific individuals, not a documentary? If what you want talked about has nothing to do with the story, why would you expect them to address it?

Evidently you don't understand the difference between a drama inspired by real people and a documentary about cross dressers.

I just watched "Everest". I guess I should be unhappy that they didn't have discussions about Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay, right? Ridiculous.


Time wounds all heels.

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Almost everyone who doesn't do this or understand it, labels these men as "different" or "complicated" at the least, or perverted at the worst.


That's nice. I love how wizards on imdb speak for 'almost everyone' in the world. It's miraculous. Thank you so much for telling 'almost everyone' what they thinkđź‘Ź

And as Gabe said, it had nothing to do with this story anyway.

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So by your comment, as negative as it is, one could infer, and I do, that you think the vast majority of people understand and accept men who crossdress for sexual pleasure only. I disagree, I think the opposite is true simply because it is never discussed seriously or with understanding or acceptance. If you are saying I am wrong and you don't know or have no opinion, then thanks for nothing.

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Infer what you like. That just makes you even more of a wizard. By all means, keep on generalising.

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I am quite sure that the vast majority of people do not understand or accept men who crossdress for sexual pleasure only. Perhaps one day someone (perhaps you) will make a fictional film or documentary that will address that subject and enlighten people. If one has already been made, please let us all know. In any event, this film is about a transgender individual who was the first known recipient of male to female sexual reassignment surgeries, who died after the fourth surgery to transplant a uterus and construct a vaginal canal. I don't understand why you would expect them to include what appears to most, to be a completely different story. Do you think that Einar/Lili Elbe was actually a crossdresser for sexual pleasure only, and misdiagnosed? If so, what is your proof? I'm just so confused by your opinion and I would really like to understand.

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That's a whole different movie.

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The film is a story about the relationship of two people, loosely based on two real life individuals. That means it most probably is more fiction than fact. It has nothing to do with the subjects that CashMcCall is promoting. It appears he/she/it has a soapbox and saw this film and this forum as an opportunity to get up on that soapbox, however irrelevant his comments are to the subject of the film itself.

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