How is this even a story? Once he started trying to become "Lilly", he abandoned his wife, and a promising career to pursue a fancy. She bent over backwards to accommodate his every whim, at the expense of her marriage and her husband. AND put up with her husband cheating on her "oh, that wasn't Einar, that was Lilly ..."; yeah, OK. Cheating is cheating, dude.
Anyway, the middle part: bla bla blah, dude wants to be something he's not. Don't really care, that doesn't make for a compelling story. But then comes the surgery. Despite being advised against the continuation of it ... he proceeds anyway, and then dies. That's not a tragic death. That's just called "what happens". Keep in mind that this takes place almost 100 years ago or so, so ... why is it surprising that barbaric medical procedures killed people a century ago?
I know the PC crowd wants to pretend that this was an important and moving story, but it's just not.
tl;dr - surgery was still sketchy at the beginning of the 20th Century.
his selfishness started when he even married his wife knowing he'd kissed a boy at a young age and had homosexual predilections. everything else i agree with.
Dunno who that is, and frankly, I don't care. People are absolutely entitled to disagree with me, just like I reserve the right to disagree with them right back.
Why did you watch the movie if the content was of no interest to you?
The first time was because I let my date pick the movie (she lost that privilege for 6 months. 2 months to go ...), and the second time was because my aunt and uncle were in town, and they wanted to watch a movie with my mother and I, and I got outvoted 3-1. Now, they will take my advice a lot more seriously as well.
And no, I am not the least bit interested in PC.
OK, well, since you quoted that sentence of mine, and then pointed out that you are not interested in PC ... does that mean you think this movie told and important and moving story? I, obviously, did not. But, this is the precise forum for discussion, so please illustrate what you found important about this film.
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just like I reserve the right to disagree with them right back.
Ofcourse you do. I never suggested otherwise. We all have different taste so ofcourse you're entitled to not like a movie and to express that.
The first time was because I let my date pick the movie (she lost that privilege for 6 months. 2 months to go ...), and the second time was because my aunt and uncle were in town, and they wanted to watch a movie with my mother and I, and I got outvoted 3-1. Now, they will take my advice a lot more seriously as well.
OK that's a good answer.
does that mean you think this movie told and important and moving story?
For me it did. I watched it because 1. I loved the look and sound of the trailer 2. I really like Alicia Vikander 3. I loved Hooper's The King's Speech.
I was moved emotionally and visually by this movie, enough to see it twice in a weekend. You didnt, and that's fine, but my issue was your generalisation that the movie will only appeal to the PC crowd. I'm not in the PC crowd. I'm simply a movie nerd. reply share
Ultimately, it seems that this movie was just trying to cash in on the Bruce Jenner situation.
How could it when Bruce Jenner didnt come out until April 2015 and didnt officially change her name until September, and the production of this movie started way before that.
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I have no way to confirm it, as it's just a feeling, but I imagine that the Bruce Jenner situation resulted in additional ticket sales for this movie. I know that it played a role in my first viewing of the film, so I assume that there are others as well.
Pre production was a decade prior. No one knew who Caitlyn Jenner was so how could the production crew spend all that time making a movie to coincide with Caitlyn coming out?
You didnt like the movie and got dragged to see it twice. I get that and I validate your opinion, but stretching it a bit there.
How on earth did you allow yourself to be dragged to see a movie a second time that you simply loathed ? lol dude. Learn to say no.
My dear dad wanted me to take him to a movie (cant remember what it was but some film I thought was sht). I drove for 4 hours to take him to the flicks. Sat him down infront of Se7en. Much to my delight he loved it. Try that with your mother, auntie and uncle next time.
Very well. If you'd like to further discuss how and why I saw a terrible movie a second time, I will try to shed more light on it, if I can. Personally, I just don't think it's very interesting, but ... I'll oblige you.
Well you posted it, and not just here but in your review as well, so? You obviously wanted to talk about it, yeah?
How about this bit
But then comes the surgery. Despite being advised against the continuation of it ... he proceeds anyway, and then dies. That's not a tragic death. That's just called "what happens". Keep in mind that this takes place almost 100 years ago or so, so ... why is it surprising that barbaric medical procedures killed people a century ago?
You do realise, do you not, that people to this day die from complications from surgery?
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Oh righty oh. So something that happens in the real world does not make for a story. Ookay. Wipe out most genres then. Where does that leave us? Oh look at that. A zombie holocaust. Riveting.
No, I'm saying that it's not an intriguing storyline. "News at 11, kid gets hit by car when playing in traffic!" Yes, early deaths are unfortunate, but easily avoidable ones are not.
Of course, if your world view is to believe he wants to be something he's not then your posting makes sense... However, one might consider all he is trying to do is be what he really is.... I believe you have the "pretending" in the wrong order.
So Lili was supposed to just lie about who she really was? Simmering with resentment towards her wife, becoming suicidal because she felt trapped in the wrong body? Who would that have benefited? Certainly not Gerda.
"What race are you? If you don't tell me I'll just...assume the worst."