Anson in season 5


He frames Fiona for murder and then uses that as leverage to blackmail Michael into working for him. Why in the world don't they just turn him over to the CIA? Pearce is right there and knows all about Anson's organization, so why not turn in the head of that organization? I don't understand the characters's motives there.

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They can't. Anson explained that the police (FBI) have everything they need to put Fiona away except one key piece of intel. If Anson dies or is arrested, then Fiona goes away.

There is no evidence that Anson set the charges and killed those people. There is only evidence that Fiona did it.

So Michael had to work with Anson until he could find evidence that tied him to the bombing (like RDX in a building that matched the RDX in the bombing).

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My point was more along the lines of turning him in and having the CIA/FBI investigate him and see what he does in his spare time. Surely he's got offshore bank accounts, ties to horrible people, etc, and yet no one has ever heard of him? He's not that good.

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He was a legit psychiatrist for the CIA.

Also, the point was that sure Michael could turn him in, but the information would still be released to the FBI that tied Fi to the bombing and Fi ends up in jail.

It was: Fi no jail as long as Anson is alive and free.

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I'm rewatching Anson's intro on the series, and in his first episode he gets Fiona on tape confessing to the bombing. However, I still don't see why Michael can't tell Pearce what's going on and then wear a wire to trap Anson trying to blackmail Michael into committing crimes for him. Anson knows Michael is meeting with the CIA, so it wouldn't throw up any suspicions for him to meet with Pearce and tell her the head of the network has contacted him and is trying to blackmail him. It just seems like if it was anyone other than 'the guy who burned Michael' then they would have resolved it in one episode and stolen the tape back and been done with it. But since it's Anson then Michael and his pals can't seem to figure out how to beat him at his own game. Pearce didn't like Michael at that point, but she was well aware of his involvement with the group that burned him and she also knew that the CIA had tracked down everyone involved (except Anson) and destroyed them, so she knew Michael wasn't making things up. I'm not sure why she would have reason to doubt Michael telling her about Anson and working to take him down without Fiona having to go to jail.

Oh, and it drives me nuts when Michael keeps saying Fiona will go to jail for something she didn't do - she did cause an explosion that killed someone (Larry), so why should she get away with that? Anson killed the guards, but Fiona is a murderer.

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The issue is still that if Anson goes to jail so does Fiona.

Remember, CIA != FBI and CIA isn't technically supposed to be operating on US soil. So the evidence is linking Fiona to a crime that is under FBI jurisdiction. Short of becoming a CIA asset, there isn't any way Fiona is getting out of jail time.

Sure they trap Anson with a wire, but how far does that actually go and Fiona still goes to jail.

Also, I got the feeling that the recording was only one piece of the evidence and that there was more evidence tying Fi to the case. He said at one point that the FBI has everything except for one thing that ties everything together. I doubt it would be the recording of Fiona when Anson is sitting in Michael's house. It would have to be something more. A video of Fiona planting the bomb for example.

Finally, I think in the show there is a difference between rogue ex-CIA operative who kills as he sees fit and 2 rent-a-cops minding their own business in the lobby. Michael was probably dead if Fiona didn't blow Larry up.

Killing super bad guy is morally superior to killing minimum wage security personnel.

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Finally, I think in the show there is a difference between rogue ex-CIA operative who kills as he sees fit and 2 rent-a-cops minding their own business in the lobby. Michael was probably dead if Fiona didn't blow Larry up.

Killing super bad guy is morally superior to killing minimum wage security personnel.

agreed, and I thought it was so sad, that, after Fiona pushed that detonator, for that half a second, she was so proud of herself, 'I killed Larry!', then she sees the bombs go off in the lobby, and gets that 'oh sh--!' look on her face and bugs out

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Um...that's exactly what Fi decided to do, and we saw how well that worked out. She's a known bomber with no evidence to support her claims of innocence.

Anson's entire network had been dismantled when the list was turned over to the CIA, but his name wasn't on it nor was he connected to anything traceable. He was just a non-threatening CIA psychiatrist.

When Michael first shared his suspicions with Max, that perhaps they had missed something because he saw inconsistencies that had no explanations, Max got killed. Michael told Pearce he couldn't talk about his suspicions until he knew more because it was too dangerous.

Anson's cover was finally blown because he wanted to rebuild his network and to do that he had to get back all the money that was no longer available to him after the CIA take-down. He had to find someone with the right skills to recover his assets and organization for him. He didn't have a lot of options, since Michael had been taking his operatives out even before the list was found. But Anson was arrogant and also knew Michael's weaknesses since he had done the original psych evaluation on him. He blackmailed Michael using his greatest weakness, his love for Fi.

Considering how little the CIA backed Michael up in general, even when he was helping them, he knew they'd never help Fi, a former IRA operative, without definitive proof of her innocence. So that's what he set out to do, find proof. But there was a whole lot of collateral damage and compromise of principles in the process. Fi couldn't take what it was doing to Michael anymore and turned herself in. No amount of explaining by Michael was going to change the government's stand on Fiona's guilt. Which is why he didn't want to go to them in the first place, --the result would have been the same. Unfortunately, Fiona & Sam don't always tend to listen to Michael, even when he knows what he's doing, and instead take matters into their own hands.

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Don't forget how connected Anson was too. How many in the CIA or FBI did he have a connection with?

Plus Anson had blackmail on Mike who is to say he didn't have blackmail on multiple FBI and/or CIA agents similar to how Jay Edgar Hoover kept his power

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Definitely, that was his modus operandi wasn't it? Seems most decent people who worked for Anson were being coerced, like Rebecca. Or they were mercenaries, in it for the money, like Larry and all those traitors working for the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc. who made up his network.

It's hard to know, sometimes, who was worse, Anson, the sociopathic mercenary who was willing to do anything for his own gain, or James, the megalomaniac psychopath who believed he was on some kind of righteous mission, but didn't care who got destroyed in the process.

They were both really bad. James had the charisma and ability to convince others that what he was doing was justified...regardless of the cost. And Anson, while not as likable, used his training as a psychiatrist to manipulate people's emotions.

I hated both characters to be honest, but I think James was the worst for me, because his manipulations and torture broke Michael's spirit. At least Michael had the conviction to keep fighting Anson. But by the time James was done messing with his head, Michael believed he had failed in every way and had lost his moorings.






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It's hard to know, sometimes, who was worse, Anson, the sociopathic mercenary who was willing to do anything for his own gain, or James, the megalomaniac psychopath who believed he was on some kind of righteous mission, but didn't care who got destroyed in the process.

They were both really bad. James had the charisma and ability to convince others that what he was doing was justified...regardless of the cost. And Anson, while not as likable, used his training as a psychiatrist to manipulate people's emotions.

I hated both characters to be honest, but I think James was the worst for me, because his manipulations and torture broke Michael's spirit. At least Michael had the conviction to keep fighting Anson. But by the time James was done messing with his head, Michael believed he had failed in every way and had lost his moorings.

I must respectfully disagree, I loved both characters (in their capacities as evil adversaries of Michael, after all, what is a hero, without an equally-strong villain to oppose him?), and thought they were both vital to the series, if it was ever going to be more than 'client of the week,' they had to be complex and they had to be hard-to-bring-down

as far as who is most evil, I'd have to go with Anson, for the reason you mention, using his 'powers' as a shrink to manipulate people into doing his bidding (we never got a definitive on whether or not he really had Michael's father killed, or if he just told Michael that to mess with him, did we?)

James was more of a cult figure, I have a little more faith that James may have started out more like Michael, actually trying to do right, to 'change the world,' to protect the 'little guys' (recall his first act was to kill his whole unit, save one, to protect a bunch of kids the US gov't wanted eliminated, even after learning they weren't nearly as dangerous as they believed...and while killing most of your fellow unit-mates certainly isn't nice, neither would 'following orders' have been, and, who knows, given more time, he may have come up with another way to prevent the slaughter, but in the moment, like Michael, he did what he thought he had to do), but as maggieameanderings pointed out in another post, James was corrupted by his power, and went way too far

I do think both organizations were maybe a little too similar in mission, Anson's may have been slightly more about gaining power and money, James' more about 'making right' (though I dispute that, see below), but I think there should've been more of a difference stated in the ultimate goals of each organization, because they were separate, they did operate differently, and came into Michael's life for different reasons

we do have to remember fully about James, though, that it wasn't all about 'helping people,' that deep down, he was evil, he was willing to have a child killed to get info from her dad to save one of his people, and while there was a veneer or goodness to his capture of the Dominican drug guy MI-6 was making a deal with, and the saving of the Mid East peacemaker guy, recall the lines put in there to show that it wasn't a truly altruistic mission: when the Dominican guy was being taken away, James mentioned that 'his intelligence (and presumably weapons, operatives, etc.) network' was now theirs (instead of MI-6's), so that wasn't just about denying a bad guy a comfy retirement, it was about expanding their power in that area of the world; and for the peacemaker, on the surface one would think, wow, that's great, James wants to help make peace over there, but no, he said, that a war 'would hinder his (James') efforts in that part of the world,' so again, it was more about continuing James' ability to do what he wanted, to prevent wars that would've put a dent into his abilities...James seemed good, as long as you didn't look too deeply into his activities, and the actual reasoning behind them (which, I wonder if lower operatives were even privy to? or were they only told the happy veneer, to keep them in the fold?)

At least Michael had the conviction to keep fighting Anson.

but his 'conviction' wasn't a sense of justice, it was revenge for Nate, then attempting to keep Fi out of jail
but I think James was the worst for me, because his manipulations and torture broke Michael's spirit. [...] But by the time James was done messing with his head, Michael believed he had failed in every way and had lost his moorings.

but that's what made the show so great! as we discussed in another thread, James had to be a 'special kind of bad guy,' in order for it to be believable that Michael would almost completely lose himself to James [recall that touching moment in "Psychological Warfare" where, after all the 'testing,' James puts his hand to Michael's face and Michael leans into it, I don't believe that was Michael leading a target along, I believe he really was 'broken' right then (and brought back to his mission by the vision of himself as a child assuring him that 'he didn't tell him anything,' so it was okay to 'go along' with the mission to embed himself into James' organization) - brilliant acting by Donovan]

also remember what Dead Larry said in one of the visions, he proposed that Michael was afraid to tell James he'd blown up the building because he (Michael) was afraid James 'wouldn't like him' if he did, not that the mission would be compromised, but postulating that Michael actually cared what James thought of him, independent of what that meant for the mission

Anson creeped me out, but James was different, and while I'm now watching The Last Ship, in which John Pyper-Ferguson is a supporting actor, and is doing a fine job, he will always be James Kendrick to me, that character has really stuck with me

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Well of course we need the evil adversaries. I never said otherwise. I was just saying, as evil adversaries go, which CHARACTER did I hate the most. And while I didn't find anything appealing about Anson, because he seemed like a crazy, self obsessed psychopath, James to me was scarier, because he was SO charming while harboring some seriously skewed moral code that he could bend to fit whatever his objective was. Anson was concerned about himself at all costs, typical narcissist. But James had some higher moral objective at work, where he was willing to sacrifice himself, or anyone, even those dearest to him, to achieve it, --all the while oozing charm, and commanding / hypnotizing others with that soothing voice and show of concern. That's what made him truly terrifying to me.

James really was a terrorist, he'd use any means possible to break people to accomplish his goals and feel justified in doing it. Anson was just an extremely intelligent and calculating self interested thug.

Michael had someone pulling his strings from day one, but James is the one who got so far inside his head that he no longer had any idea who he was or what he believed to the point that he almost sacrificed what/who he loved for the objective as well.

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I agree with your points, you may just have swayed me, but I think all those things make me like the character of James even more, and admire the writing even more, not sure what that says about me...perhaps Anson could've told me ;)

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Oh, I agree. He was definitely more "likeable" to watch because of the charisma. As villains go, I thought he was truly great. But that made him scarier to me. Which is why I "hated" him more. Actually, one of the other reasons I emphasized my dislike for him was because of all the viewers who bought into his charm and thought he "wasn't that bad" compared to the other villains. In reality, he did the most heinous things, but with such a lovely smile and so much "concern" that it was easy to be deceived by him. So maybe it's semantics. All I'm really saying is that I thought James was by far the more scary of the two, He was the true BIG BAD in this show. :))

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his charm and thought he "wasn't that bad" compared to the other villains. In reality, he did the most heinous things, but with such a lovely smile and so much "concern" that it was easy to be deceived by him.

I'd love to know how much of that was written, and how much of that was Pyper-Ferguson's acting decisions/suggestions

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Good question. I loved the way he played the character. Those are the best bad guys, when you really want to like them despite their actions. The show must have been looking for someone with that special ability to portray a wolf in sheep's clothing, someone smooth enough to confuse even Michael. But he totally nailed it with his soft spoken, southern charm. When someone does that good of a job with a role, it's hard to imagine anyone else in the role. And like you say, when someone's that good, it can be hard to shake the character he played when you see the actor in something else. I saw him in something else, too, can't recall what, but a very different character, and all I could think about was "James" the entire time. lol.

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Oh, and it drives me nuts when Michael keeps saying Fiona will go to jail for something she didn't do - she did cause an explosion that killed someone (Larry), so why should she get away with that?

technically, since it was inside the walls of a British Consulate, shouldn't it have been the Brits who got to take custody of, and charge, Fiona? I never quite understood how the US government had jurisdiction, since consulates are considered territory of their respective country (and I'm sure Britain would've been very pleased to have Fiona answer for charges from the past, as well)

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Michael has a key piece of evidence against Anson, yet never uses it - Vaughan. It makes no sense.

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He discovered the information about Vaughn only an episode before Fi turned herself in. By then it was too late. Had Anson not blown up his own warehouse, then Vaughn's information would have helped him. But without evidence, it was Vaughn's word against Anson's, and who would the CIA believe at that time?

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the only thing is though...all that stuff in the warehouse was Rebecca's. she is probably the one who set the explosives for that Embassy and the explosives that took out Maddy's "boyfriend". Anson was not the type to as they say, get his hands dirty...


even if the CIA had looked at it, it would have looked like Rebecca, not Anson.

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