Is the guy always said to be Management the head of the organization? It's later said that Anson is the one who put the whole thing together and burned Michael, so where does Management fit into that? He's portrayed as being the top guy, at least until Anson shows up.
shareweak writing
seriously, how many times did Michael find out the guy who "really" burned him?
Management and Anson were in charge of the organization that burned Michael. Anson had the idea, Management had the means to make it happen. It's not weak writing.
As for the people who supposedly burned Michael, only Vaughn admitted to personally doing it. They dumped Simon when he got out of control and set the wheels in motion to bring Michael into the fold.
Remember, Cowan said he didn't personally burn Michael and Carla was only there to boss him around.
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I insist it is weak writing, because of the necessity of extend the series
first it was Management, then it was Vaughn, then it was Anson, then Tom Card.
everytime it seems Michael found out the top boss, until it is revealed there was another guy above that guy
as the other poster said: I did have to make a visual flow chart of everybody to see where they fit in Lol
Well, that's your opinion. But if other people can figure it out, what does that say?
If I can figure out Management and Anson Fullerton were the two in charge (by the simple fact the show actually said it) and that Tom Card wasn't part of that organization but ordered Anson's hit (which killed Nate in the process), then maybe the show isn't at fault. You don't seem to have a problem figuring out Riley and Carla weren't the top dogs in the organization that burned Michael.
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Tom Card wasn't part of that organization but ordered Anson's hit
Wrong. Card was NEVER part of the organization that burned Michael. Anson had dirt on him performing several illegal operations. Card ordered the hit on Anson, and Tyler Gray decided it was worth completing his assignment by hitting Nate in the process. That's why Card tried to convince Michael he didn't want Nate killed; that was Gray's fault. Otherwise, why kill Gray in cold blood in front of Michael?
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You need to go back and actually watch the show. Try putting the phone down and pay attention.
You missed quite a bit. It was all pretty clearly stated in the show.
Carla, Victor, and Vaughn were all members of the organization, but Management was above them. Vaughn may have been above Carla and Victor but below Management. I'm just not sure where Anson fits in, other than 'founder' of the organization. He still held his day job so I'm not sure how much time he had to oversee the operations, which is why I'm not quite sure of what he was trying to do and how he fits in.
I didn't think Tom Card had anything to do with burning Michael - he was involved in shenanigans of his own and Anson found out and was going to expose him, so Card had Anson (and Nate) killed. That's my understanding of it, at least.
As someone else said, it was explained in the show that Anson had the brains and ideas while Management had the ability to put it together.
It was Anson and Management -> Vaughn -> Carla -> Victor
Victor and Michael were at the same level. Just assets to be used to run jobs for the organization.
Keep in mind that there were likely many other Vaughn's and Carla's and Victor's around the world. Vaughn's territory was based out of Miami.
Think of Anson as the CEO and Management as the COO. Vaugn was a VP and Carla was management.
I didn't think Tom Card had anything to do with burning Michael - he was involved in shenanigans of his own and Anson found out and was going to expose him, so Card had Anson (and Nate) killed.
Simon was burned by the CIA before he went to work for Vaughn, just like Michael. He was a known operative, and just like the CIA gradually started letting Michael back in to do certain jobs they couldn't do "officially" they brought Simon in to do certain kinds of work as well. Often off the books. Remember how Michael used to say he didn't work for any specific government agency? They always played that card whenever they wanted to do things that weren't exactly CIA sanctioned.
shareRemember how Michael used to say he didn't work for any specific government agency? They always played that card whenever they wanted to do things that weren't exactly CIA sanctioned.
When Vaughn was taken down, the entire organization was taken down, because of the book code that Simon kept. The govt. came in and swept everybody up in that organization except for Anson (who was co-founder with Management). Anson managed to keep his identity secret as a working CIA therapist but was upset that the entire network and all of their funding was gone, so that's why he came after Michael to help him get what he needed. Plus he knew how to manipulate Michael, having counseled his parents. As for Simon, Strong and the CIA knew him as an effective and ruthless operative who could do things for them when they didn't want to get their own hands dirty.
Yeah, I don't know for sure if Micahel was or wasn't "officially" working for the CIA in the pilot, but in later episodes, even when he was doing some jobs for the CIA, he wasn't "officially" on the books. Some kind of loophole they could use to have him work for them without acknowledging it. Or maybe without the USA acknowledging it.
Maybe he was officially an "asset" rather than a govt. employee? I don't know. They clearly play by different rules as it suits them. I mean, once a spy is burned, it's like he no longer exists, he's wiped from the records. To keep everybody else's hands clean, I suppose. And yet if they need him, they can resurrect him and use him, whether it's in an official capacity or not. That's how they can get around various agreements they have with other governments and agencies, apparently.
Some kind of loophole they could use to have him work for them without acknowledging it.
Tom Card was not part of the organization that Anson/Management had created.
Anson was the last.
Card was not a part of Anson's group. Anson knew things that Card had done and would have spilled on him, and probably a ton of others and knew he not only would get out of jail lickety split, but would not have done jail time. for the things he did.
I think management was just a fall guy add everybody else was. Lol. I did have to make a visual flow chart of everybody to see where they fit in Lol
shareManagement and Anson did it together.
Anson explained it all to Michael, that they hated that such talent was wasted and put the "organization" together.
Taking burned spies, and putting them to use....then deciding to burn spies on their own.
As to the question of what happened to Management. I sort of assumed Management was one of the operatives that the CIA was able to round up after Michael gave them the thumb drive with "The List" from Simon's Bible. Apparently, Simon never knew that Management had a partner/co-founder in Anson so he wasn't on The List. Anson was, according to Anson himself, "the last piece" of the organization that Michael brought down. And until Michael outed Anson, he was still working under his cover as a meek CIA psychiatrist (scouting future operatives to burn). So to sum it up, Simon knew Management so he would have been on the list and likely apprehended by the CIA, but not Anson.