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What was with her brother Samuel?


There seemed to be a lot of quiet moments with him that felt like they were possibly building to something. Is there a part of his history that I'm missing?

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*Ahem*

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It's a puzzle. I don't know how much we historically know about Samuel Brawne except that he died young, also of TB. To get the answer we'd have to have access to the original script and the snippets laying on the editor's floor. I suspect the end result left the role of Samuel a bit smaller and more contained than originally thought. How else would it be cast with Thomas Sangster?

However, there is also the possibility that this was always going to be such a peripheral role and that Thomas seized the opportunity to be able to play a young adult as a means to transition from childhood roles.

You want an even greater puzzle? Samuel Barnett plays Joseph Severn and we barely get a word of dialogue out of him. He's even in the men's choir scene but we don't get to hear him sing, and him with such a lovely voice.

Here's a theory, they all wanted to work with Jane Campion. Don't blame them a bit. Better to be a small player in a wonderful film than a big player in a load of crap.

You'll have to admit, no matter the part every actor was superb.


"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

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One has to wonder how much ended up on the cutting room floor for two people who probably should have had more of a role yet there is only one cut scene in the dvd.
Odd.




I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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The whole American DVD was odd. First of all it led off with more previews of uninteresting films than I have ever before seen packed in front of a feature. Not that I watch them, but I take note. Second, from the input on this board, the Canadian DVD and the American DVD had a slight difference in one scene. Third, no running commentary! And fourth, as you mention, there must have been many deleted scenes yet we only get to see one. It's a good one, but only one.

This DVD was definitely rushed. And even Abbie Cornish has spoken out that she is disappointed in the lack of a Blu-ray release.

"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

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I don't know anything about the real Samuel Brawne. But the movie made me VERY aware of Toots and Samuel. And I never got the feeling that either one of them had an unfinished story arc. To me, we got just the right amount, considering the focus of the film.

We don't really get an idea of Samuel's relationship with Keats, though they obviously get along (e.g. the Scots dancing at the Christmas dinner). We see more of Toots --partly because, on a practical level, she and Fanny share a room. It's also clear that Toots and Keats adore each other. In part, I think that was possible because people are more openly affectionate with small children. She also has some wonderful lines, like her request at Christmas dinner for a poem. (“A short one.”)

But Thomas was older. (How old? I’m not sure.) And because he isn’t as innocent as Toots, he wouldn’t spontaneously “speak truth” like she does. But I was always conscious of Toots and Samuel, watching, absorbing and (I assume) being shaped by adult events. And so, though Samuel was so often silent, I became more and more aware of him throughout the film.

For instance, after Keats reaches across the table to take Fanny's hand, we suddenly see Thomas, quietly putting his violin in his case, watching the romance unfold. Frankly, I’d forgotten he was there, and I wondered both at his tact and what he must have thought of what he'd seen.

Both Toots and Samuel saw that scene between Tom and John Keats, with Tom delirious, clinging to John and close to death. Both Samuel and Toots heard Mr. Brown read the letter from Severn about Keats’ death, and saw Fanny’s reaction. And at the end, when Fanny takes her walk across the snow, her mother immediately sends Samuel to follow her at a distance – I assume he was on a kind of suicide watch.

Slate.com’s movie critic did a lovely video about how intimate the movie is, how it shows a world in which people were often witnesses to personal events that in today’s busy world we would not see. To me, Toots and Samuel were part of that. They were in the background, but I felt their presence. And though the movie left me with questions about Samuel, they weren't the sort that made the movie feel unfinished. I just realized that he was on the cusp of adolescence, was someone of depth and interest, and had his own story …. for another film, perhaps.

Thomas Sangster was beautifully cast. He was an earnest, sweet and grave young man.

I agree with noagenda that it seemed odd not to see more or Severn. I was far more aware of the friend who defended Keats' poetry (praising the unexpected rhythm, how the poem let you fly) and the very attentive friend who asked Keats how he would feel about a winter in Rome, who proposed his friends pay for it together, who made sure that his passage was fully paid for, etc. (I hope I remember those details right.) Can someone tell me who those characters were?

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Samuel Roukin played John Reynolds. Reynolds is the character who defends Keats poetry (the unexpected rhythm) to his sisters and to Fanny. I lose track of some of the other characters because IMDb doesn't have their pictures next to the credits and I don't think they are called by name in the film. Samuel Barnett made an impression on me because he was in "The History Boys".

I found the Slate video you referenced. http://castroller.com/podcasts/SlateVVideocast/1455502-Danas%20Hom e%20Theater%20Bright%20Star


"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

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Thank you! Keats' circle made such an impression on me, and I don't think the movie intends us to have all their names clear .... but it did bother me, I confess, when Fanny referred to Severn and I had a moment thinking "Who's he?"

Speaking of friends, one of mine just told me on the phone that the other "major friend" I was searching for was named Hunt. (Leigh Hunt, says imdb. And the actor would be Jonathan Aris.) He is at the one who (at the party where Fanny and Keats first talk) mentions a sonnet published in the paper that he thought must have been by Keats himself. He later more or less leads the movement to consult a doctor about the best climate for Keats, establish a fund to pay for his travel, etc.

Re the DVD: Canadians got two deleted scenes ... the second was with Toots (beautiful Edie Martin moment), Fanny and Mrs. Brawne.

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YOU GOT TWO DELETED SCENES IN THE CANADIAN EDITION? That's it, I'm emmigrating.

Thanks for the tip re: Leigh Hunt/Jonathan Aris.

"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

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Thanks for the responses.

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Kressie: She (Toots) also has some wonderful lines, like her request at Christmas dinner for a poem. (“A short one.”)

One of the funniest lines in the film is when Toots dutifully goes down to the kitchen and asks for a knife; they ask why, and she matter of factly says something like, "Fanny wants to kill herself....."

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