I just saw the movie and could not believe how bad the acting was.
The characters in "bright star" were simply not believable as actual human beings. The dialouge seemed fake, not one second did the actors make me believe to actually BE the characters. I was so disappointed and I honestely tried to like the movie (the story was not that bad by the way) but the way the actors struggled to remember their just memorized lines was too much. The lack of flow within the conversations reminded me of school plays, where everybody tries to get their lines out with hollow voices.
I sat through it, others left the theatre.
However, I have to give credit to Antonia Campbell-Hughes as the maid Abigail, I liked her performance.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I would be curious to know what examples you describe as good acting, and why, if you don't recognize its pinnacle in this film.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Really? Interesting. Your opinion is in the minority as far as the acting. I suspect others may have left because this film is a slow mover. Their loss. I suppose everyone would prefer something like Avatar instead of a film like this. It's sad that few people appreciate good art anymore.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
"Really? Interesting. Your opinion is in the minority as far as the acting. I suspect others may have left because this film is a slow mover. Their loss. I suppose everyone would prefer something like Avatar instead of a film like this. It's sad that few people appreciate good art anymore."
Well that's rather pretentious of you, just because someone enjoyed Avatar they don't appreciate art?
I for one hated Avatar and mildly enjoyed Bright Star although it was a little lacking. For the record the acting is the one thing in this movie hard to find fault with, it's the bright spot in Bright Star.
Yes I'm very pretentious! I'm a film snob! Flog me with a wet noodle! We have tons and tons of films like Avatar..tons of superhero films, tons of insipid rom/coms, tons of crappy wacked out teenage comedy duds, tons of high octane root me/shoot me/wring my head like a duck movies. If you want to call all of that art, be my guest. I don't! I'm glad you liked the acting in this film. I know, as I said, this film is glacier slow so of course, there's people who don't like that sort of thing and it won't be their cup of tea but I'll pick this sort of film above any of the other genres I listed above any time!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
we also have tons and tons and tons of period slowmovers. I dont find this film any more orginal or unique than any garbage blockbuster. A bit more entertaining maybe and I'd pick this film over those other genres as well. But i don't find Bright Star to be all that different entirely. A different formula but still driven by a formula.
This scene (Fanny devastated, mom *not* immediately running to her) struck me too. I thought was the mom in some kind of shock? Why does she just sit there? But then I thought of the time this movie was set in. Even among family, people were probably more formal and less demonstrative back then--maybe less quick to assuage an emotional outburst. I wonder if might also have to do with the OP thinking the acting is so bad. Speaking in poetry might sound beautiful to one viewer, but stilted and boring to another. I dunno, I could be totally off with this theory. I did enjoy the movie, and thought the acting was fine.
pounce44, I thought Fanny's mother's restraint showed respect for her daughter's feelings, allowing her privacy as she leaves the room. It is not a matter of people being more formal or less demonstrative in that time, although it has become a modern cultural thing to think one should insert themselves into every situation and to hell with good manners.
And remember that the mother expressed her emotional attachment to Keats before he left for Italy, "Come back to us, live with us, marry our Fanny." He had become another son to her and she has just heard of his death. She shows the more passive response of greater experience...remember that her husband also died young...but one can't help but think that she is also deeply affected.
All of this, however, would be the directing and the script, not the acting.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
I took the scene to mean that she was so taken by shock and grief that she literally could not breath. I've been through that a couple times before in my life. Your diaphragm and the rest of the muscles that help you breath start spasming and you just can't draw a deep breath (I have no idea if this is anything like asthma, which I don't have). When her mother rushed to her in the film it was to help her focus and concentrate on her breathing, which is the only way to stop it. However, while it's very scary, I doubt that it's really life-threatening. You can, for example, draw in enough breath to gasp out words.
wESTthefest - Absolutely not! You can see the genres that I named in multitudes and the cineplex every single day of the week and it's rare that you see a period piece there. Give me a break! To say that Jane Campion made a 'formulaic' period piece is nonsense. I'm afraid you're in the minority as far as the look and feel of this film. Fine that it is not your cup of tea but you act like you can go to the theatre every week to see a period film and that simply is not true.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
all casting is great:subtle,depp,touching and natural. I saw it twice and I ADORE the second time because i saw all tiny thing(the first time it was almost too beautiful/poetic visually)
I haven't seen this movie, but I'd have to agree based on the trailer (which I've seen way too many times thanks to it being played on a loop at my job). The acting seems very over-the-top and the trailer is so dramatic that it actually makes me laugh.
ClarkNoHeart: One thing movie-goers should quickly realize as obvious is that frequently a trailer and the actual film differ greatly. Since it appears to me you either most likely work at a DVD rental store or a movie theatre, you should be most tuned-in to that observation. I've been to scores of movies because the trailer was so exciting, suspenseful, lovely, or whatever only to be disapointed upon the completion of the film. Also, I've seen both the American-released trailer and the international one, and I would appreciate it if you would cite specific examples of "over-the-top acting."
You're obviously North American. You probably don't realize that the rest of the English speaking world actually pronounce it as CAHN'T. No doubt Bright Star would have been more acceptable to you if they'd all spoken with American accents.
If you can't express yourself without namecalling, you need to refrain from posting at all. Someone who's on this board simply because they didn't like the trailer and admitted they wouldn't even WANT to see the film, doesn't belong here anyway. I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
Thank you for leaping to my defence*, Tiger. I CAHN'T imagine why young Clarkie got so hot under the collar. I thought I was being perfectly reasonable.
Note to Clarkie: *This is the way defense is spelt in the rest of the English speaking world.
I think it represents *exactly* the kind of movie Bright Star was meant to be, not the histrionic American version. The American version also makes me wince, because of the terrible splicing and operatic music. It's horrible. It's trying to pass itself as a sentimental weepie and I think Bright Star is far from that. One of my friend saw the trailer, then the movie, and then afterwards actually expressed her disappointment at the lack of dramatic entanglement.
I thought the comment about Fanny's multiple crying scenes lessening the overall impact was interesting. I actually agree - now that I think back, she bursts into tears about four or five times. For a restrained personality, less tears would have been more effective.
Still though, I can't understand how anyone isn't affected by the stairs scene. And yes, her mother was also in shock. The movie makes it pretty clear that the entire Brawne family were quite intimate with Keats, not just Fanny. Especially after Mrs. Brawne takes care of him - she even tells him to "marry our Fanny". And in that moment, I think it's understandable if Fanny's mother was unsure of what to do; give her space or go to her.
I actually prefer the English versions of most words and spell that way occasionally but some people who aren't 'English spelling literate' possibly can think one is a bad speller! lol
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
You spent some time in Australia, didn't you Tiger? Which would explain why you're "English spelling literate". The reason I'm "American spelling literate" is that I have an American spellchecker on my computer which I'm constantly having to override. It's a matter of principle. It's tantamount to bloody cultural imperialism!
Yes I did actually and learned quite a bit of Aussie slang as well! lol; however, like my mom, I've always been somewhat of an Anglophile anyway and I always appreciated the different spellings! It looks like they would come up with other types of spell checkers!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
I've just finished watching the film and had to come on here to see if someone felt the same way, I'm glad to see someone has. I wanted to like this film, I really did. I'd heard nothing but great things, I very much enjoy the period and the subject matter, so it seemed like a perfect fit. Boy was I mistaken. Felix hit it right on the head: the acting (especially that of the female lead) was amateurish at best and unintentionally comedic at its worst. There were times I too felt as though I was watching a school play. I'll grant that the film is beautifully shot, and the period is faithfully recreated, but I couldn't get past the lack of chemistry between almost any of the characters. I'd like to note a special exception for the mother of Fanny, who was the only character I felt was believable. I also enjoyed parts of Schneiders's portrayal of Brown, though I felt even he was over the top at times. Whishaw's performance, while not bad, was nothing I'd write home about, but it was Cornish who absolutely ruined the movie for me. When she broke down over Keats' trip to the isle of white, I very nearly turned the movie off.
For comparison, let us look at another film from this year that deals with similar themes: An Education. In both films, a young woman not used to the idea of love falls head over heels for a man who is perhaps not the practical choice. The difference? The female lead in An Education is one of the standout performances of the year. Even though her character is written to be perhaps a little too wise beyond her years, you never once doubt Mulligan's performance. It comes to her effortlessly and the viewer is drawn in by the believability of the film's heroine. There is fantastic chemistry between the two leads and no part of the love story that transpires and engulfs the life of the reluctant young girl is ever in doubt. In Bright Star, on the other hand, a love story is forced down the throats of its audience with no justification given other than that "it actually happened". The only emotion ever exhibited on screen was that of complete hysterics. I for one was on the edge of my seat wondering what seemingly innocuous thing would send Cornish into fits next: "I, the man you've shared relatively few words with, will be headed to the isle of white for the summer." "AHHHHHH!!!! I WANT TO DIE!!!!" The valentine's day scene alone was like watching a sordid 90's high school drama. Instead of the love its lead characters shared, the film relied on the death of Keats and his brother to wrangle an emotional response out of its audience. A manipulative technique and one which failed miserably, in my case at least, because I couldn't imagine Cornish could possibly express any more sorrow than that which she'd expressed over Keats' choice of summer vacation. The single best part of the film was the poetry reading over the end credits. It was both the best writing in the film, and a lovely accompaniment to the joy I felt that it was over.
I'm glad so many of you could find joy in the film but, sadly, there was little to be had for me (other than the aforementioned cinematography. And the score was quite decent as well).
Andrewhoyt-1: Your opinion is respected; however, I do beg to differ. I teach middle school students (8th graders) and, in years, they aren't much younger than the real Fanny was when Keats went to the Isle of Wight - just turned 18. Believe me, I can believe the hysterics and the over-the-top exaggeration of her emotions coming from this girl in love for the first time with a young man who must have been extremely difficult to understand. I don't feel aabby was over-acting; instead, I think that very well could have been the way she (Fanny) would have behaved. (This response may sound ill-written, but I'm trying to get it off qyuckly -- I'm late for a faculty meeting!!! Sorry).
You're quite right, of course. The immaturity I've attributed to the performance of Cornish might very well have been immaturity in the character itself. I suppose I've always felt that men and women of the early 19th century were forced to mature much quicker than those of today due, in large part, to the reduced life expectancy. At the time, a woman of 18 or 19 would have been married and would likely already be a mother. I suppose this could be a falsely held belief, and I'm sure there were women of the time who, at that age, would still resemble the high schoolers of today. Even so, I felt the stylistic tone of the film tried to impress upon the viewer the seriousness of the affection between Keats and Fanny, and I found Cornish's take on Fanny far too immature to merit feelings of that magnitude. To me, their story seemed nothing more than "high school" love. Sure, it may make no difference to the characters experiencing those emotions (we all had those moments of "this is the end of my world" in high school, and truly believed them then), but as we grow older we realize that those emotions were fleeting and, in the grand scheme of things, trivial. Cornish's reaction to Keats' death at the end of the film was thus stripped of all impact because the viewer now feels she'd react the same way had she received a letter saying Keats had decided to stay an extra week, or had decided to cut his hair, or something equally superficial. I feel like the director wanted to make a movie about the impact of love in a person's life, and how powerful a force it can be, and ended up showing us that love is really only powerful enough to affect those who know no better.
In summary, had the film been shot like Twilight, I would have been perfectly happy dismissing it as a film about high schoolers made for high schoolers. But a film of such beauty, and such imagery, about a man who devoted his life to the study of love and of death and how they are intertwined, deserved characters with more depth and feelings with more consequence. I felt that's what it was going for, but Cornish simply did not have the acting chops to pull it off (not to say that Campion's writing gave her much to work with). I may very well be mistaken. Perhaps Campion simply wanted to tell a story of puppy love and how it affects teenagers. Fair enough, I just felt her considerable visual talents could be better put to use elsewhere.
Andrewhoyt1, I find your analysis of young love astonishing and a slight to all those emotions of youth. Fleeting?? Trivial??? "Love is really only powerful enough to affect those who know no better"???? No better than what? You must have led a very dull life, if this is how you trivialize young love. I think your analysis is way off. The acting was deep, and heartfelt. If Cornish's reaction to the death of Keats was seen by you as "stripped of all impact" it was because Campion was looking for the internal not an exposition of wailing and grand emotion. In this case it worked wonderfully. The depth and feeling was there. Where were you?
This was a beautiful film by Jane Campion as all her films are lovely to view.
fanaticita: thank you for your comments, allow me to expand upon my points from earlier:
Perhaps I trivialize young love a little, but only because I've been there and lived through it. Yes, at the time, I too felt it was deep and meaningful, just as all young lovers do, but age gives people perspective and with time you come to realize that what was once your whole world becomes a much smaller matter. That is why I feel that love between people of maturity, people who "know better", people who are no longer slaves to their hormones, or to societies pressures (or less so at any rate), is a deeper, more meaningful form of the emotion. It is one that has power and consequence. It isn't just a phase you grow out of, as puppy love tends to be. That's where you find the love that lasts and moves mountains and such and such. I feel that would have been a more fitting kind of love for the film to explore given the weight and power the visuals seemed to place on the emotion involved. But the maturity wasn't there, either by mistake or by design, in the characters in the film, and thus I was left with a feeling that their love would have burnt itself out quite quickly, as all young passion tends to do, had Keats not died.
The only reason I felt that Keats' death scene was stripped of its impact was because Cornish had already spent her emotional lot numerous times elsewhere in the film (over matters far more trivial). Great actors know how to "keep something in the bag" for the final climax of the film or play, rather than go through their entire emotional range in the first act. You say Campion was looking for the internalization of emotion and not an exposition of wailing and grand emotion? Perhaps this is true when speaking of the scenes involving expressing the joy of love, but certainly that was not the case during the scenes involving its misery! Cornish expresses her desire to die, or the feeling that she is indeed dying, on at least three separate occasions in the film that I can remember. You're right, though, she seemed very restrained during the moments of happiness and joy. Perhaps it is that inconsistency which was confusing. It seemed as though the character should be mature, she appeared to keep her feelings in check, hadn't gone to bed with the man, etc. Still, whenever anything didn't go her way she throws tantrums like a little princess? Make up your mind Cornish (or Campion). The woman was either mature enough to recognize love for what it truly meant, what the risks involved were, and what the rewards could be, or she knew nothing of love and was merely following every impulse of her heart.
As fine as I find your argument for mature love, I don't see how it applies to this film or this story. Fanny and Keats met when she was 18 and he was 23, they shared not quite 3 years before his death. There was no other time to explore between them. As for whether their love would have "burnt itself out," you are applying your personal prejudices onto the lives of strangers. If you read Andrew Motion's biography of Keats, there is quite a lot there about how Fanny grew up rather quickly to confront the extraordinary pressure Keats had to deal with regarding not only his failing health but also his lack of acceptance as a poet. She became his emotional foundation. He described his relationship with her as akin to a religious conversion because it changed his perspective and altered what he valued most dear.
As for your contention that Cornish "had already spent her emotional lot number times" before the scene within her character learns of Keats' death, I hardly know how to reply. Abbie Cornish's performance as Fanny is overall restrained, even when in the grip of teenage emotion. Yes, she lays abed when she doesn't hear from Keats and even calls for a knife at one point in order to kill herself. Her mother finds her weeping over his one page letter. "It's over," she says. If you find that well tuned display of a young girl's frustration to be overspent, then you must live a very, very restrained life.
My biggest problem with your arguments is that they fail to follow the arc of Fanny's character. It is after Keats returns from his original journey away from her, especially after he falls ill, that we witness her take great strides into maturity. She no longer wails or pouts. We see her dig deep and confront the inevitable future, or lack of a future, of a life with Keats. Rather than fight those who oppose her relationship with Keats, she accepts it and yet persists in the decisions she has made to honor her feelings. Finally, instead of wildly weeping or threatening, she cojoles her mother to allow her to acompany him to Italy and silently accepts the refusal. She falls into a depression when he finally leaves, but once again, no histrionics, just quiet withdrawal. We witness Fanny's growth into womanhood. That is not inconsistency, but change. Once again, the arc of her character.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Sotty Andrewhoyt-1, I dislike the way you insist "people of maturity" who "know better" (better than what?) are not slaves to hormones (oh yeah???), and their love is a "deeper, more meaninful form of the emotion". HA! Get off your high horse and realize that love comes in all forms at all ages. I know grown adults, seniors, and kids who are very much in love, and those who are complete jerks screwing up each other's lives. Love doesn't grow into some diamond from a lump of coal. It's an expression of feelings that waxes and wanes, has many different ways of showing itself and hiding itself. It's individual, and doesn't conform to any one person's definition as totality.
I can't disagree more with your opinion on the acting in this film. I found most of the actors to be incredible in this film - highly believable. From every tiny expression to the intonations of speech, it was an incredible example of craft mastery.
In the last scene, where Fanny dresses in widow's weeds and goes out into the snow, she seems to be reciting a poem. I didn't understand a blind word the first time, or the second time when I listened through headphones with the volume turned up a bit. Someone had to tell me that it was "Bright Star" that she was mumbling through.
And whose bloody idea was it to have Whishaw recite the "Ode to a Nightingale" while the end credits were rolling AND a little group was singing?
I didn't have any trouble hearing the poem that Abbie recited so I'm not sure why you did actually! I have to admit it wasn't a good idea to have the voice choir on while he was reciting the poem but if you keep listening, I believe they stop long before he's finished with the poem.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
Yeah, I've heard that one before actually. I think Jane Campion wanted very much for her actors to come across as 'not acting' but not everyone saw it that way. I thought they had great chemistry myself. Sorry you didn't much fancy it!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.