This was one of the best films I've ever seen in my entire life.
Regardless of what others may think..it was so beautiful. I loved it.
shareRegardless of what others may think..it was so beautiful. I loved it.
shareYes, I also enjoyed it very much.
I've been fascinated by Keats (and his relationship with Fanny Brawne) ever since I first read Walter Jackson Bate's bio. I've also read Andrew Motion's bio of Keats, which was the one that inspired Jane Campion.
It was a beautiful film. The cinematography and costumes were lovely. I thought that the acting was superb by both Cornish and Whishaw, as well as by the supporting cast. I thought that there was depth and subtlety in how their romance was portrayed. It was made more poignant by the fact that Keats and Fanny both knew he would not live very long and that they would be denied much time together.
I've read quite a few comments about how viewers are disappointed that this film did not receive recognition from the Oscars and some other awards. Yes, that was disappointing. Maybe I'm just getting old, but it seems with each passing year the Oscars become less relevant. They are political and many of the wins are based on which films grossed the most money. People also win awards or are at least nominated because they are adored by most of Tinseltown, and conversely some people are not recognized because they are generally disliked or have political views that are distasteful to some influential people in the business. I believe that the awards should be given on talent and artistry alone, regardless of whether the actor, director, etc. is a pleasant person or brought in the most money, but I'm fairly sure that's not how it works. The Academy also does sometimes award those who are genuinely great at their craft, so it's kind of a mixed bag.
It always gets me when an actor has done excellent work for 30 years or so but has never won (in some cases never been nominated), then the Academy will decide to give them an honorary sward when they are old and doddering and close to death. It's a strange business.
Indeed you are correction in your introspection as far the Oscars becoming less relevant. This is the first year I can remember in years where I did not sit glued to the t.v. on Oscar night and did not watch the Oscars at all. If the Academy Awards were worth their salt, I believe the majority of the awards would go to low budget indie films but that doesn't happen often does it? People in America are still under the assumption that if a movie makes a bunch of money, it must be better than a low budget film never even considering the marketing and mass production of movies to cater to a particular audience that are like locusts, ready to comsume entire fields of food without caring what's going down their gullets. Sick.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
The Hurt Locker, which is an independent film, is the least shown film of any Oscar winner, ever, according to the experts. It was never shown in more than 500 theatres at one time, and that was at it's peak. Audiences haven't seen it, and I'm willing to bet that a majority of the Academy members who voted for it didn't see it either. So why did it win all those awards? Was it that good? No, I think is the perfect example of why, as tigerbos says, the awards are becoming increasingly irrelevant. The awards are based on personal biases and friendships but at the same time driven by the desire of the Academy and its members to appear to be "artsy" and above it all. Who is nominated and who wins is based on a complex congruence of hype, reputation, and a bizarrely strange pattern of awarding someone because they are popular (Sandra Bullock, Reese Witherspoon to name just a couple) and/or because a more deserving performance from the past failed to win. (This happens so often that are too many examples to name.) Yes, tigerbos, part of that hype is money. Even though THL didn't bring in the dollars, it was "safe" to push it along in a year where one film has made more than a billion? two billion? dollars and the industry is floating once again in money. It was the time to finally recognize a film dealing with the wars that have been going on for going on a decade now.
There's a lot of talent out there. I'm not faulting any of the nominees for being talented purveyers of their craft. But the point of giving awards, it would seem, is to recognize the extraordinary. Instead they tend to follow the money...maybe not box office, but promotion and private deals...and the hype. I'm not even going to address the fact that the Oscars has become a television show, designed for ratings, instead of the ideal it wants to be seen to promote. Come on. Ten best picture nominees? And not one of them this absolute gem of a picture, Bright Star?
"People in America are still under the assumption that if a movie makes a bunch of money, it must be better than a low budget film..." Yes, very true. But what bothers me is that the industry thinks that too. Money walks and money talks.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
You really think the Academy voted for a film they never saw? You truly are delusional.
shareNo, but you are naive. The Academy is top loaded with aged and/or disinterested members who are notorious for letting their housekeepers, children, lovers, spouses, etc, fill out their ballots. It doesn't control the ballot, by any means, but it helps skew the results. In addition there have long been stories of members previewing a film for a vote rather than settling in and really watching it.
I stand by what I wrote above.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
You used the word "disinterested" wrong. It's uninterested. But whatever, I'm sure someone who doesn't care about the definitions of words will believe your carefree caprices.
shareYes, so it is, uninterested.
When one cannot argue intelligently, it is always preferable to attack the superficial. How I despise the grammar police on this informal board.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
How do message boards work? WITH WORDS, DUDE. IF YOU USE THE WRONG ONES, IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT. How can anyone take you seriously if you don't even know to read and write?
I'm done with you, I'm not responding.
Give us all a break won't you? It seems your primary objective here is to insult others instead of talking about the film. If you cannot find anything intelligent to say, then go find someplace else to dig your dirt.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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You do know that Dictionary.com is totally useless right? The Oxford English Dictionary is the standard. Just because a word has been misused for this long (torturous and tortuous is a good example) doesn't mean it has now established. Careful WRITERS do not misuse this word--I am one of those people.
I read the dictionary for fun, so take your dictionary.com platitudes elsewhere, because disinterested will always mean unbiased.
"I read the dictionary for fun, so take your dictionary.com platitudes elsewhere..." Pardon me, but that says alot, as in plenty, as in revelatory.
Language should try to always be as precise as possible in order to allow us to be properly understood. But it is also ever evolving, ever changing with the culture.
But be that as it may be, I used a word incorrectly. However, I believe that 9/10 of the readers would understand the meaning of what I was trying to say. Let it go.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Just ignore the academy. They're no yardstick for quality. I'm guessing that most of the viewers watch it because of the designer gown contest.
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I loved Bright Star, But I have to say that I do believe Hurt locker was "THAT GOOD" and well deserved it's Oscar. Too bad they couldn't both win. But hurt locker served a similar kind of art to the audience. Intense emotion, a small intimate group operating in very special circumstances, revelations through an intense interplay of character, how even highly intelligent, gifted people let themselves get trapped by their circumstances.
shareYou haven't seen many films, have you?
Last seen:
Brooklyn's Finest 8/10
A Serious Man 7/10
Why are you on here? Do a thread of your own with a negative review if you want instead of trolling others who enjoyed this film's brilliance which apparently you missed.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
Why are you on here?
Hello...I meant UNDER THIS THREAD where it says it's one of the best films, etc. You pounced on the OP inappropriately. That's why I said, why don't you start your own thread with your own views of listing why you didn't like it instead of insulting others. I wish I DID own every board on IMDB because if I did, I'd delete a lot more posts than the adminstrators do.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
I agree. One of the most beautiful and wonderful films I've ever seen. I loved it.
sharePounced? Inappropriately? Spare me the melodramatic board police role. Did I call the op names? Did I use derogatory language? No. I commented on the op's opinion which is what a discussion board is for. If the op has a problem with what I said, then the op can respond. Perhaps the op isn't as thin skinned as you appear to be.
Last seen:
Brooklyn's Finest 8/10
A Serious Man 7/10
No. You just made a snide and sarcastic comment and talked down to the OP..."you've not seen many films then have you?" which suggests that YOUR TASTE is better than the OP's. My skin is not thin. I was just pointing out, if you don't like the film, then say why instead of coming on here and insulting people. Get over yourself!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
Get over yourself!
Whatever dude. Obviously you're not up to the challenge of stating your thoughts on this film in reference to reviewing it properly or you didn't see it to begin with. You obviously prefer potshots as opposed to constructive criticism.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
Pleased you enjoyed it - try Cracks - you would probably like that too. Personally I found Bright Star OK but typically BBC in its pace and direction.
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I don't know what it is, but its weird and pissed off!
I'm tempted to say, "Everybody grow up!" You sound a little like some of my middle-schoolers yammering about their opinions concerning a piece of literature we're studying in class!
The point is, this is a movie for Keats people, it's Keats people who will respect and defend it, and that, in my (small)opinion is all there is to it. If one does not "get" Keats, then the film is no big deal. It IS (yes, I'm shouting!) a terribly big deal to me, and I used to get rather annoyed at all the "nay-sayers", but I have since resolved myself to the above opinion and that's it . . !
I'm not a Keats person, nor a poetry person, but I loved this movie. It actually made me appreciate/slightly understand poetry. I've checked out a sampling of Keats' work now after seeing this movie. Still not a poetry fan but I've attempted to understand it and appreciate it more than I did.
GORGEOUS MOVIE, is all I can say. Yes, it was slow but to me it made me appreciate all the little details about this movie. The slowness gave an aura of peace, tranquility and sensuality to me. And doesn't one need to slow down to appreciate and understand poetry? Poetry puts your brain in a peaceful place, I think.
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Well said, helloeeze. Well said.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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Interesting perspective elizabeth norman - my wife has a degree in English, a degree in art history and an MA in design. She lectures at Central St Martins from time to time.
You might say she's kinda over qualified in this area, and she thought it totally lacked substance, which is unusual for her as she normally likes this sort of movie.
Personally I have a degree in Applied Biology, and an MSc in plant science - so I'm not qualified to hold an opinion at all according to your qualification requirements to comment on this movie. I did get an A for English and an A for Eng lit in my O levels though - does that lend any weight to my opinions?
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That's YOUR opinion and it did win awards so I don't know why you stated that in your post.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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First of all, the film was nominated for multi-awards. As you know, lots of films get nominated and do not always win awards - that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't worthy of those awards. Haven't you ever seen a film that you felt should have won awards but it didn't? Also, as you know, there's a huge politic behind awards. Despite this, I feel that Bright Star should have been nominated and won more awards than it did.
Some opinions are more noteworthy than others.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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Whether the film was nominated or won just a few awards to me is subjective. The powers that be decided that Avatar didn't deserve to be the best picture this past year and the Hurt Locker did. Some people may or may not agree with that. Depending upon one's perception, some people thought Avatar should have won. If you think that awards aren't political, then you're wrong. Just because an Indie film wins a major award once in awhile, doesn't mean that the awards are not political and unbiast. If Indie films won awards like they should, then there would be no Independent Film Awards. Most of the best films, in my opinion are lower budgeted films.
I never bloody said there was a conspiracy against Bright Star. I said the film was nominated for awards and some it won and some it did not and I felt it should have won more. I did feel that it was somewhat overlooked and you're entitled to your opinion. I don't even know why you came on this site to make a statement about this film if you didn't like it except simply to slam it with your opinion. Good luck with that.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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Not really. The only thing you said was you were bored by it and no wonder it didn't win any awards as if your opinion confirmed the reason why it didn't win awards. That's not really discussing anything is it?
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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Well, I don't believe this one was a clunker but I certainly do agree that The Piano was better. Just for the record, the majority of critics who saw this film really liked it but of course, it's not a film for everyone. It's less a narrative film than a visual poem and not everyone is into that.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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Why are you replying to me and a Guilty Soul's reply in one swoop? If you want to reply to me then reply to me and then reply to her separately or are you so brilliant that you simply don't have time to figure out how to work these boards properly or are you too lazy to argue with two people at one time in separate posts like you're supposed to?
Of course critics had problems with it. I just said a majority of critics liked it and it was 'for the record' meaning you said it was boring and no wonder it didn't win awards so I was just stating that despite that, it was liked by the critics. I didn't say anything about 'not being able to get it' now did I? I said it wasn't a film for everyone, YOU are the one who 'assumed' that I didn't think certain people were intelligent enough to 'get it'. You can say lots of films are 'not for everyone' meaning it won't be everyone's cup of tea or if you're really paranoid (like you obviously are) you decided what I really said was - " Most critics also stated that it was slow and would be hard to find an audience - meaning pompous blowhards like you wouldn't like it."
Now let's see what sort of pretentious reply you'll come up with next time since you enjoy thinking you can read between the lines of every word I write. If you want to continue beating a dead horse, then fine, go ahead. Just for the record, I don't 'imply' things and then simply hope someone will be smart enough to pick up on the implication - I just come out and say what I mean flat out which is what I did so if you have a problem with the wording, well, then that's YOUR problem!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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Um no there's actually 'no set rules' except for those posted on the IMDB site; however, if you want a proper reply to your post, then you should hit reply to the person who replied to you instead of attempting to cover up your tracks for a mistake with some lame reply like you've done here.
I've already explained (which apparently you missed this statement due to your paranoia) that this is not my fav. Jane Campion film but I do not believe it to be obscure by any means. My only belief is you didn't like it and you are bored easily -again which is simply manifested by your inability to make a post that has anything to do with this film.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
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tigerbos, do you hear someone? I don't.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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No. I most certainly don't and she's going on ignore so I don't have to read her stupid posts! lol...I can just simply gaze at the others that are from much more intelligent people - like US!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
You remind me of those old commercials we used to have on TV for constipation, wplains. "Are you tired? Feeling listless? Have that achy feeling?" But in your case I'd say it was the result have having a constipated brain. The solution, however, is not to keep repeating and repeating yourself on this board. EVERYONE reading this thread gets it. YOU didn't like the film. You say that your friends didn't either. (We'll go ahead and assume you have friends who can deal with you obsessive, competitive need for validation.) According to you most have agreed with you despite the fact that this film has a 82% Fresh rating on Rottentomatoes.com.
The rare work about the life of an artists that is itself a work of art. Slate
What Campion does is seek visual beauty to match Keats verbal beauty. Roger Ebert
Intimate as a whisper, immediate as a blush, and universal as first love... Philadephia Inquirer
A literal, lyrical love story... Rolling Stone
Bright Star satisfies a hunger we might not have known we had, a hunger for an exquisitely done, emotional love story that marries heart breaking passion to formiable filmmaking restraint... Kenneth Turan
So I will agree that some people agreed with you and found this film bored them, or held them away, or that it faded. Too bad. I fear I find the fault not in the the stars but in themselves to paraphrase Shakespeare. But this film delighted many and continues to delight us.
As for my obsession in answering your obessive need to post, this makes two posts for me vs. about a dozen for you. And what I want to describe is the layers of enjoyment I received from this film, but you keep beating the same dog that it bored you. You have not been misunderstood. We get it. LET IT GO.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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"So you can constantly praise it but constantly not praising it is not allowed? Why is that?"
To me, saying one's negative opinion of a film again and again appears to be a meaningless waste of energy and dwelling on negative feelings. I don't really see what you get out of it, other than provoking people who liked the film. Praising it is somewhat different - you had a strongly positive experience you want to describe and share with others. To state your opinion, explain your views on the film, why you - contrary to those who you discuss it with - didn't like it is acceptable. But repeating it, constantly "not praising" it? Why? I can assure you that you won't "convert" anyone!
"Do you like me more than you don't like me or do you not like me more than you do?"
I'm puzzled, wplains, as to why you are spending so much energy constantly repeating the same criticism of this film. You and your friends found it boring. So be it.
This is certainly not a film for everyone. I agree with Tigerbos that this is more like a Jane Campion's visual poem than a typical narrative story. It does have story and characters and dialogue and plot but is nearer to the pace and manner of a poem that stimulates sight and sound and imagination than to a dramatic piece.
Clearly not your cup of tea. But I, and many others, had it as a banquet.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Kudos for your reply!
I'm always surprised when something I find so appealing others 'don't get'! I'm glad it definitely was your cup of tea! Such is life. I've seen this film several times and I still think it's one of the dreamiest and most sensuous films ever!
Take care!
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.
I still think it's one of the dreamiest and most sensuous films ever!
Hehehe - right on wplains
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Absolutely, just a really beautiful film and a triumph. Who besides Jane Campion could have told the story of a romantic poet and made it so compelling and modern? And who besides Ben Whishaw could have embodied John Keats so entirely?
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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shareI loved it too astral.
Somehow different from other period dramas I'm seen & very touching.
I'm now in love with Ben Whishaw again too !!