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was she and that skinny guy in love


one of her classmates, the one who masterminded everything...





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I find it interesting that noone has responded to your question.. I think that says something about the failure of this film.. failure to actually build any depth to the characters.. at the end "she" questions the "skinny guy" about why he didn't get with her back in HK.. that should have or perhaps could have been an emotionally devastating question considering everything she and he have been through.. instead it just leaves the audience thinking "oh he liked her heaps.. what a d***head" or something like that...

I don't know... As for your question.. I just found her character to be rather pathetic.. She was supposedly trying to help her country but then her actions put at risk all her collaboraters.. she saved a guy who was basically an *beep* what's sexy about that? The two main charaters never evolved.. great sex and moody glances do not necessarily make a good movie..

arghhh

This film really annoyed me!

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"These things mean more to a woman than most men can understand."

Apparently. I am a man and I hope I never value those personal desires enough to make a decision I know will get six fellow resistance fighters tortured and executed not to mention a bullet through my head as well. And hundreds if not thousands more will go on being tortured and executed as a man like Yee survives to go on with his brutal work. All the fluffy stuff in my heart shouldn't matter more than the consequences no matter how hard it is for others to understand.

But I realize it's all a movie. Let's just hope in this case life doesn't imitate art one day.

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"the students could have just stayed uninvolved and avoided this risk"

1) If Wong hadn't warned Yee in her own moment of weakness, the pain and death *would* have been avoided. It wasn't really their love of country that led to their downfall. The plan was working great until Wong broke emotionally.

2) I would agree that the patriotic-war emotion that drove Japanese nationalism to invade most of Asia caused needless suffering on a massive scale.

3) However, patriotic-war emotion in China is a different animal entirely. They were the ones invaded and being slaughtered by the millions, not the Japanese. If no one had joined the resistance, then even more Chinese and Americans would have died on the battlefield. The resistance did a great deal to help facilitate the Doolittle Raid, got the American pilots to safety, and helped with the campaign against the Japanese in Burma. If it had not been for the French Resistance, many more of the Allied forces on D-Day and in the French campaign would have been killed.

So I would argue that staying uninvolved would have created *even more* pain and suffering. Perhaps not to them directly and their loved ones, but certainly to hundreds if not thousands of soldiers on their side and their families. And Yee probably went on to torture and execute thousands more by virtue of their not getting to him.

I'm not excusing the basic motivation: an emotional "love of resistance," but I can't agree that when invaded like China was that an attitude of "let's just stay out of it and avoid the risk" would have resulted in the same overall amount of death and suffering. It would have been even worse if no one inside China were taking risks to accelerate the defeat of Japan.

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I thought it made perfect sense, from her perspective. She was beginning to fall in love with him in the start, and she sensed his attraction to her. But he was timid... he would not take the risk to reach out and take her. He did not volunteer to deflower her. He was devoted to China, but as a man, his actions toward her were barren.

She gradually lost her initial, strong feeling for him.

Contrast this with Yee. In context of the war, he was a right bastard, a traitor... but as a man, he was true to her. He was risking everything for her, in spite of the thousand things he feared (with good reason), and everything he might lose. He was afraid of the dakr, yet he bravely fought to have her, even though he had several times experienced infiltrators trying to seduce him in the past. He tried so hard to be strong. Yet her song for him touched him... she watched a hardened soldier melt and cry for her beauty. These things mean more to a woman than most men can understand.

The "skinny guy" was still in love with her throughout, tried indirectly to protect her, and felt horrible about risking her, putting her in danger. His kiss was something he'd been building up for a long time. He loved her, tragically. But she would not receive that kiss... because she did not love him in return. She had lost her heart to Yee.

I can sometimes follow why women are frustrated that many men don't understand them. ;-) It's fairly obvious that this story was written by a woman.


Agreed.

Feet on the ground
Head in the sky

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Do you really think if Mr. Yee had not been around no one would have been tortured and China during that time would have been rainbows and unicorns? Even if they had killed Yee, someone else would have stepped into his place.



I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me.

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Did I say he wasn't a traitor? Did I say he didn't betray his people? Next time throughly read a post before you jump to accusations.

I take it that you have absolutely no knowledge of military history. If Mr. Yee a small pawn in the Japanese occupation of China had been killed, do you really think that little torture camp he had would have been stopped? Do you think the killing of one bit player would have ended the entire occupation? It may have given the resistance more strength but otherwise who knows. Someone could have come in that was even more callous and brutal. But enough with the coulda, shoulda, woulda, obviously this is a work of fiction.



I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me.

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I'm not disputing your overall opinion, but Yee was not a 'small cog.' He was in fact the head of the secret police for the collaborationist head-of-government. That would place him very highly and disturb the operations of the already falling government.

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No he's not the "skinny guy". I'd say the skinny guy is the perverted one that deflowered her

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why is he perverted?

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Cuz he was a non-virgin in the 40's, and the only women he got with were prostitutes. (also perverts are usually portrayed as skinny)

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I think it would have become love if both had been brave enough to let it go further. They were definitely attracted to each other. But I don't think it was love yet.

I loved the bus scene in the beginning. They were so obviously attracted to each other.

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I definitely think he was in love with her and she started to fall for him. He was so into the group and was a little timid that it never went any further. It was very clear that they loved each other by the way they looked at each other.

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*SPOILERS*

Initially, she had a crush on the resistance troupe leader.
Although he felt the same way about her, he never made his move.
Throughout the movie he had feelings for her, but her feelings for him faded as she fell for Mr. Yee (even though she tried not to).
At the point where the actor guy kissed her, she responded with something along the lines of "You could've done that three years ago". Here she thought that if she was going out with the actor guy to begin with, at least it would have been easier to focus on her goal, instead of being torn between duty and personal feelings.
In the end, she realised that Mr. Yee genuinely fell for her. He was moved by her song in the Japanese restaurant. Also, remember the mahjong scene in the beginning where Mrs. Yee said her husband doesn't buy her jewellery? Well he went out of his way and went to find the best jeweller in town for Wong. She decided she loved him enough to breach her duty and told him to run for his life.
In the end at the execution you can see the actor guy was full of regret.


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I'd say he was in love with her, but not the other way around. Under different circumstances she probably would've been, but I think she had trouble coming to terms with the fact that it was him who put her in such a dangerous situation.

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I believe he was definitely in love with her but he was in love with his ideals more and she did have feelings for him. Definitely. Hence her comment when he finally kissed her, that he was about 3 years late. She was in love with Yee though.

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