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Can totally understand the hate for this movie.....


But, it shouldnt be taken out on the actors one bit.
Given what they had to work with, the poor script, bad editing and missing scenes and characters from the book it was a faliure to begin with.
I mean the movie just totally changed the main characters as it saw fit in places and left out scenes from the book that really made the characters shine.
I really dont mind book-movie conversions but THIS has to be the worst one ive ever watched.

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I have not read the book, but I did love the movie...a lot...and I feel like I am a dedicated Christian, not Catholic but still Christian.

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and I feel like I am a dedicated Christian, not Catholic but still Christian.


What's that got to do with anything?

She's really Tyler Durden/Keyser Soze/A Man/A Ghost/Dreaming/His sled

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some may think that if you post a positive review on a movie which views Catholicism kindly, you can only be a Catholic. Not so. I am Protestant but respectful towards Catholics.

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some may think that if you post a positive review on a movie which views Catholicism kindly, you can only be a Catholic. Not so. I am Protestant but respectful towards Catholics.

Tried way too hard to squeeze that in.

I think you just wanted to tell people that because it makes you feel important and good about yourself ;)

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Blitzhard56...

And, I think you are just plain rude.

The member merely added a piece of information, and a perfectly fair one.

Ian.

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Agreed. Nothing wrong about that.

Obviously, a fool can think only foolish thoughts

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But what if the premise and mixed facts IS the real story. Or does a story repeated for so many centuries become real...like another famous book (sic)? Does it matter if it's really true, if enough people believe and set up these structures within society to realize the fiction - over time? I have never felt stronger with a crazy feeling that Orwell was like any other sci-fi writer who predicted the future, or perhaps even wrote the future. Hell, we have escalators no? Virgin is flying folks to space in a few years in craft right off the cover of a 1950's paperback, so the story line could actually be what's going on...perhaps in a different way...in the way that the Sopranos is not entirely fictional.

So I am in the middle of Himalayas, a town called Giri, and we are all drunk sitting around as bikers after a long ride would, and a christian rider starts talking about the Illuminati, and what they were up to these days. The Nepalese in the crowd just thought he was drunk and crazy, but as an expat of American descent, I understood this evangelist's views... 100%. It does seem these are the end of days, as understood by every Christian and Buddhist of that persuasion.

Things are not looking that good...or is that the plan?

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I didn't like this movie - and I'm an atheist.

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There is no such thing as an atheist because there IS. That is not to say I am Christian,Muslim,Hindu,Buddhist or whatever because they are all Astrally tainted and should all be steered clear of!!! Try instead to find the light within you by Googling "Light Pulsations" or just go to www.lightpulsations.com and take it from there.

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"There is no such thing as an atheist because there IS."

Eh? This makes no sense to me, unless it's analogous to

"There's no such thing as a theist because there ISN'T"

which I hope isn't what you had in mind!

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Simon-140,what I had in mind was what I said! There is NO such thing as an atheist as there IS such a power or frequency,if you like,that we ALL are,LIGHT,and NOT tainted by the astral lords and entities unless we choose to be.It is like "quirkyrecords" says "if religion,and, I say MAN MADE RELIGION was left to its own devices and chose astral entities etc.Don't take my word for it.Go to www.lightpulsations.com and find out for yourselves.

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You're a fruit loop mate..

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Er, no. There simply isn't a god. Just what you feel.

Be seeing you

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You missed the winky emoticon. You must be part of the FBI, as you do not have a sense of humor you're aware of.

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sorry what? this film views catholicism kindly?

you mean the cardinals not wanting to evacuate the square even though they know theres a bomb that would kill them all just because of an ancient tradition is a positive view of the church?

corruption, murder and a plan to kill the preferati all to make the vatican strong again. this wasnt the plan of one evil man but a whole string of 'christians'.

the only heroic aspect performed by a member of the church was taking the bomb high above the square to save everyone... by the man who planted it in the first place!

you can post a positive review on anything without having to bring your religion into it. and frankly you can lead a great life without bringing religion anywhere near it.

its this kind of fowardness of religion that grates people. if religion was left to its own devices and everyone could chose religion without forced indoctranation and child abuse then no problem. but it does and it costs lives. that is evil.

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Me too! I just don't understand what the fuzz is about. Sometimes I feel like I'm really different from most people. I loved this, but hated Inception. If my mind was right, I guess it should have been the other way around.

I think Howard is excellent at his best. Also loved TDV, but I understand the controversy around the plot of course.

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wut? catholic and christian is the same think difrent era

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one thing i have learned from imdb is that every person has a different perspective. i liked this movie a lot, infact i like a lot of movies a lot and every time i read the messages, i find atleast one person saying that the movie was bad.
for me, script was good, editing was good and no, i did not read the book, but again this is just me. for gods sake i even liked national treasure lol.

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To Mystery hunters13

I like alot of movies alot of the time but personally I think it makes a hell of a difference if you have read the book. I just thought that the film itself ran far to quickly it didnt give you a chance to know who the characters where and it missed out massive chunks that was quite important to the storyline.
For example at the end when the Camerlergo sets himself on fire.. Does anyone know why he does that?
You wouldnt unless you had read the book. Personally to me the film just didnt make any sense even after I had read the book. It went too fast and skipped far to much for me.

But that is just my opinion.. :)

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To bite_meim_marshmellowy

I totally disagree with you. I downloaded this movie and watch it like 2 times, and I am completely sure i understood the entire story, even minute details such as pope pius IX's great castration in 1857 to why camerlengo set himself on fire. infact i understood that part the very first time i saw it, the scene where langdon n vittoria show that video of camerlengo branding himself with that last smbol to great Elector, that scene explains that camerlengo is the culprit.

if you are watching any movie in theater then its better to read the book so that you are already prepped with the characters, but if you are downloading a movie or renting a dvd then i dont think its necessary to read the book, infact its better if you do not read the book. i think its about interests!!

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I felt in many ways the movie script improved on the book. By the time I finished the book my head was spinning from the sheer unbelievability of much of it. Just the fact that so much was crammed into such a limited time period, episodes like the way Langdon survived the helicopter jump and still managed to save the day at the Vatican, Brown's lame dialogue and character delineation (it was the first time I'd heard the word "camerlengo", not being Catholic, and Brown made sure I'll never forget it by addressing Ventresca (McKenna in the movie) by it seemingly every single time he is referred to). The movie streamlined the action, made it more believable - it was a compact, well-acted thriller with a lot of interesting detail and atmosphere. I liked the movie; the book was a chore, despite Brown's gift for slipping in lots of arcane knowledge.

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It took me about a week to watch this movie. Every time I turned it on with the intention of finishing it, I could only stand 20 to 30 minutes of it before I just got bored and had to turn it off. By the time I figured out a whole bunch of murders were going to take place and all they were going to do is spend most of the movie driving around Rome, it just got too boring. They tried way too hard to make this some kind of cool Hollywood action flick.

- Death is whimsical today.

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Totally agree --- tried to watch numerous times... what is a Catholic Priest/whatever doing at CERN??

I just gave up -- read the wiki plot - fine by me - at least I get the point - lots of crap going on to justify a book/movie.

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After the Da Vinci Code movie I gave up on Dan Brown and I certainly was not going to spend a penny on another movie made with Tom Hanks directed by Howard.
Today I took out the movie from the library and find the movie so boring that I end up doing all kind of other things while having it on. And that despite the fact that I have lived in Roma and have visited the Vatican and even was invited to an audience with the pope, so a movie filmed there should hold my interest.. The movie certainly does not show me the Rome I love and there are so many scenes in the dark and the movie is difficult to understand (it seems like everyone mumbles). It is a shame that despite the fact that these movies are so awful they still make money because they are so heavily promoted.
Not only are these movie versions of the Dan Brown novels terribly altered, but they are also miscast. Not one second does Tom Hanks convinces me as a Harvard professor and all the other characters are unconvincing too.

Just recently I read the newest book from Dan Brown, which was so bad and obviously already written with a movie in mind. What a pity, I liked his ideas about picking subjects like religion and giving it a different twist, but the Da Vinci Code is the only book I still like. The other ones are just riding on the tail of the Da Vinci Code and are not original anymore.

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didn't know it was hated. I liked it. It's a pretty straightforward suspense thriller. Better than DC

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The movie is hated so much (by me as well) because they so badly changed the story from that in the book. They eliminated one of the central, important characters (Kohler) of the story in the movie, they gave the Hassassin a name (Mr Grey, give me a freaking break), and just butchered everything.

Suggestion, read the book, you see exactly what I am talking about. The book is so much superior to this mess of a movie. And I agree it is NOT the actors fault at all, the performances were very good, it is the AWFUL screenplay.

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I don't hate the movie, but I hate book readers. Do you realize how annoying it is reading these cliched book to movie comparisons? They always sound just like this "The book was SO MUCH BETTER! They left out and changed so much stuff..." We need some Fahrenheit 451 for real : )

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Sounds like someone is too dumb to read.

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instead of ewan mcgregor and Ayelet Zurer,,

it was gonna be dicaprio and naomi watts

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A frenetic, regurgitated ham-sandwich of a movie, which an orgy of CGI did not manage to camouflage, as if it ever does. I might/could like reading the book one day, if I could ever forget having watched this celluloidal wreckage.

Final straw: Hollywood/Vatican-extra crowd cheers the paratrooping MacGregor who revives following safe removal of anti-matter disposal operation. Barf-o-rama!



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