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Abasi's relationship with his daughter (Spoilers)

posted 17 years ago by reisereise
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Abasi's interference with his daughter's personal life inadvertently leads to her death. When this is revealed, the films seems to be assigning some blame towards Abasi for his hard-line treatment of his daughter, but if a different course of action had been taken, wouldn't it have still likely led to his own death? Either way, his family was going to take a hit if I'm correctly understanding the story. It just seems like an odd predicament set up by the film.

[–] EvilToady 17 years ago

This just in: Life ain't fair.

[–] reisereise 17 years ago

No *beep* dumbass. My point is that I believe it dilutes and distracts from the film's obvious, intended message regarding that reveal.

[–] Senator_Corleone 17 years ago

I think Abasi would prefer he had died rather than his daughter.

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[–] keeperofthelore 16 years ago

reisereise,

The film's central message is anti-torture, and its logic is assigning blame towards the fact that Abasi tortured & killed Khalid's brother, which he pays for in the loss of his own daughter. It's one of those "the sins of the father will be visited upon the daughters and sons" deals. Its message is not "don't mistreat your daughters" but rather "don't torture people or else you'll breed more terrorists who will accidentally kill your children while trying to kill you."

I don't see any connection or blame being cast towards Abasi for "mistreatment" of his daughter. The only reason they had a falling out is because his daughter refused to marry whoever he wanted her to.

[–] zestywhite 16 years ago

Agreed. If Abasi and Fatima had the best father/daughter relationship in the world, Khalid would still have tried to win her affections in order to get close enough to her father to kill him.

[–] shtkan 16 years ago

The daughter was a target just as Abasi was a target. Her death would of never happened if the boy didnt seek her out for his own revenge of his brother then she would of never died. On the other hand that would of lead to Abasi death because the daughter would of never intervened in the bombing, it would of been a successful one.

[–] moviegoingcat 16 years ago

keperofthe lore:"I don't see any connection or blame being cast towards Abasi for "mistreatment" of his daughter. The only reason they had a falling out is because his daughter refused to marry whoever he wanted her to."

A P.C. agenda requires that just a little lip service to be paid to individual rights like choosing one's own mate.Being forced to marry someone you do not choose to is surely mistreatment. Apparently you don't think so. Of course Islam in general mistreats women..but that has to be understated if it is stated at all in P.C. movie manufacturing.

[–] UmarFKhawaja 16 years ago

moviegoingcat, I think one should not comment about things which one does not know about. I know you don't know much about Islam and the rights and privileges it provides women because you would not be claiming that "Islam in general mistreats women", if you did know anything.

If you had said that women are mistreated in Muslim countries, I would have no argument with that, but saying that is not the same thing as saying Islam mistreats women.

The difference is subtle but important. Allow me to illustrate:

It is said that according to US Constitution, the accused is innocent until proven guilty. Now, the current US govt. has been treating people as guilty unless they're proven innocent. Would it be fair to say that the US Constitution treats people guilty until proven innocent? That it condones or supports disappearing and torturing people? No. Would it be fair to say that about the current US govt.? Absolutely.

There is a vital difference between the two statements.

[–] dwacon-2 16 years ago

It was kind of stupid to run up to a guy with a bomb strapped to his body and hang there after he's been shot.

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[–] clmarch 16 years ago

*SPOILERS* A point that was overlooked in this thread was that Abasi had a personal vendetta against anyone he thought was involved in the death of his daughter. So, even though the US had a relationship with the "unspecified" country to torture suspected terrorists, the fact that Abasu had an agenda, too brought home that everyone was acting in their own best interest. Thus, the war involves everyone on a personal level, in some respect. As it should.

[–] charlesheld 16 years ago

>> Abasi had a personal vendetta against anyone he thought was involved in the death of his daughter.

Abasi didn't know until the final scenes that Fatima died in the bombing. Abasi's interactions with Anwar take place prior to that reveal.

[–] ash_filipina 13 years ago

I don't perceive it as he was meant to be blamed by viewers. I thought everything was portrayed realistically. He was kind of blamed by the family as is most likely the case in real life. The movie simply convey that they were all victims of a conflict with love and the roles they have in the society.

[–] Terrapin2212 12 years ago

The irony I found actually was that Abasi is supposed to be a modern, Westernized, pro-American ally in that country, going after jihadist terrorists, yet how he views and treats the women in his family, not just his daughter but his wife and sister as well, is very backwards and traditional Islamist. While the terrorist Khalid seems more open about relationships though at the end we realize its his ploy.

[–] mshaaban78 10 years ago

Terrapin, Abbasi is not a traditional islamist for treating his daughter like this. Islam is innocent of his behavior. He is just a heartless criminal as there is almost nothing in this movie that he does which even relates to islam. Islam means peace not terrorism or torture.

[–] mshaaban78 10 years ago

In Islam, the sheikh (priest) had to ask both the man and the woman if they agree to the marriage. They would both have to sign the wedding document. Actually for the woman, the sheikh asks her if she is being forced to be married as Islam does NOT condone such behavior.