The show is just woke shit that don't make sense. The books are quite well thought, though, they were written in a more civilized era. That refers to them.
There's no way to stop the fall. You have to consider that the Empire is an extremely complex system. Hari Seldon could probably predict its fall, but being such a complex system, any plan would have been derailed by a black swan sooner or later (probably, sooner). Chaos theory applies to social systems too.
On the other hand, the Foundation was a tiny simple system, much easier to model and control. As the Foundation kept growing, a black swan eventually appeared (the Mule). But it was too late and too small (pun intended) to stop Hari Seldon's plan.
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Rorikon (17855)
3 years ago
Eh, not that woke. It looked woke but I found it tame with a good amount of switching between the Empire and her. It only looks woke because the protagonist gets a decent amount of screen time but the background folks are mostly white for the most part.
I guess this applies to any Empire really, stretched too thin, expanded too much, easy to crumble. Happened with Rome and the likes. Needs a good balance of enough troops to guard your borders and defend the territory. That and to not rule like a friggin dictator since those never last. I don't even see how they could build a housing system 100+ floors below ground. Would be rife with criminals I would imagine where above ground it is order from chaos.
So Hari DID plan the fall then, I am assuming just based on what you said. The fall is his plan set in motion. He manipulated everyone, even telling them about his planned outcome but in a way that makes him a savior of sort instead so they give him everything he needed.
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kukuxu (5409)
3 years ago
No, Hari didn't plan the fall. He didn't try to stop it neither. From the original books:
For centuries Galactic civilization has stagnated and declined, though only a few ever realized that. But now, at last, the Periphery is breaking away and the political unity of the Empire is shattered. Somewhere in the fifty years just past is where the historians of the future will place an arbitrary line and say: 'This marks the Fall of the Galactic Empire.'
And they will be right, though scarcely any will recognize that Fall for additional centuries.
And after the Fall will come inevitable barbarism, a period which, our psychohistory tells us, should, under ordinary circumstances, last for thirty thousand years. We cannot stop the Fall. We do not wish to; for Imperial culture has lost whatever virility and worth it once had. But we can shorten the period of Barbarism that must follow down to a single thousand of years.
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Mighty1 (53)
3 years ago
Can you trust harry RE stated intent, tho? he lies a lot and tells people compartmentalized information. The label of The Raven may have deeper meaning I wonder if Asimov might have intended a sinister aspect like that Seldon drove the galaxy to madness like the Edgar Allen Poe raven!
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