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About A Neglectful, Promiscuous Mom....

posted 17 years ago by Corvine8
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I just couldn't sympathize with these stiff characters, especially the mother who just neglects her son for four years and then feels like reuniting with him??? Why neglect a child in the first place? For American dollars??? Come on, this movie is sooo plastic and corny that I felt insulted watchin' it. It felt too commercialized and cute-sy for such a controversial topic. I think it's more of a movie for the purpose of promoting this terrible actress who portrays a shallow b#@*. It should have had a lot more depth to it. 4/10

[–] travelintom 17 years ago

I don't believe you even saw this movie. Promiscuous? Hardly. Neglectful, shallow? Come on, open your heart and mind a little. I loved this film; 10/10.

[–] Mud_dib 17 years ago

My father was in the Army... and in the first gulf war. He was gone for 2 years for the first war, didn't see him for 9 months when we were waiting for housing when he was stationed in Germany, didn't see him for 8 Months when we were waiting for housing in North Carolina... and there were numerous times when he was out doing field drills for his unit and I wouldn't see him for 2 weeks at a time (at least once every 3 months)... so tell me was I neglected?

"You shady mother *beep*
-"Dirty Money in the Midwest" by Me

[–] sryanvh 17 years ago

Do you have any idea why these people come to the states? Because a lot of them do, and they come leaving behind children/family, and they send money back to them. Would you try and put a 5 year old through swimming across a river and running through the hills (which was the age of Carlitos when she left)?

I spoke with someone planning to cross the border illegally once, and he put it to me this way: "You work for one day in the USA, and you can buy a pair of Nike [shoes]. You work for 2 weeks here in Mexico, saving every peso, and you can buy a pair of Nike [shoes]." Plainly stated: These people see an opportunity to improve the quality of living for their family IMMENSELY, so they take it.

Try to understand someone's motives before labeling them.

[–] pauliebleeker 17 years ago

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Maranda4,

you obviously had not seen the film, or you must be a complete moron who doesn't understand characters or plots for that matter, to have gotten that.
She left because she needed to support her son. She was not being neglectful. Neglectful is Carlitos' father who left his mother and him at such an earlier age and had not seen him for 9 years. Throughout the movie, it was CLEARLY shown that Carlitos' mother longed for her son, to the point where she'd even return to Mexico to be with her son, even after all her hard work to make it across.

[–] Corvine8 17 years ago

You don't necessarily have to swim across a river and run through the hills to enter this country, there are legal and safer methods. Ok, I agree the father was definitely neglectful, but why would a mother leave her fatherless child behind to begin with; and on top of that, rely on family members to care of him only because she decided to have pre-marital sex??? She was a confused and impatient, vagabond-ish strumpet- face it. Es la verda!!

[–] christina-79 17 years ago

Clearly you aren't mexican nor are you from an area where there is a lot of (im)migration. clearly you have a lot to learn about politics, the economy of North America, and transnational parenting which happens more often than we care to know about.

[–] Liz663 17 years ago

Oh geez... Legal and safer methods take a long ass time and in most cases most people are desperate for work to make money so they can send it back home to their families who *beep* need it. Who cares if she decided to have pre-marital sex? Who are you to judge her? Did she become a hooker or a drug addict or abandon him like his dad? No. She only came to the U.S. to work. Otherwise, if things were better in mexico I doubt she would have left. There was no other purpose for her to be here than to work. She wasn't fooling around.

Instead of being an irresponsible mother, she went to the U.S. to give him a better life. Sometimes people have to make a sacrifice like that. If you were desperate you'd probably end up doing the same thing and I wouldn't believe you if you said you wouldn't because desperate times call for desperate measures. Sometimes you just don't have a choice. She didn't want to be there as she had clearly stated many times that she wanted to go back but she had no choice and I don't blame her for leaving her son behind. He's was too young to go through all that. It's not easy and if you really saw the movie,Which I'm doubting you even did, you would have seen that when he crossed the border himself. That in no way was an irresponsible decision on her part. Why risk putting him in that kind of danger? Oh wait...would you risk getting your child torn away from you if you were caught by immigration? He was better off with his grandma and at least she called him every weekend to check up on him unlike his dad who never even saw him.

Put yourself in her shoes before you even begin to judge her. Talk to an actual illegal immigrant and you'll see that this probably one of the hardest decisions they've had to make. They don't come to fool around. They come to work. They come and risk their lives to give their families a better life. So no. No es la verdad. In fact I applaud her for being brave and going through all that.

YES I CRIED WHILE READING HP 7...NO I AM NOT ASHAMED

[–] Corvine8 17 years ago

You don't sacrafice your child in order to earn foreign money, you either bring the child with you or stay with the fatherless child and be a true, responsible parent. Big deal, you won't have as much Americana than desired, but at least you'll be around to see your child grow up. You're tellin me that makin' American dollars is more precious than that?!! Come on people, wake up and stop bein' so materialistic. The child didn't look malnourished or impoverished, so why did the mom find it so necessary to earn more than what her family already had? I've seen worse scenarios where childern are roamin' the streets bare foot and filthy and hungry for food. This kid was far from that. He actually looked like the spoiled, well off, middle-class Mexican. I personally know several mothers who brought their young children with them across the border illegally and LEGALLY. Now that's the ultimate sacrafice. So, please stop makin' excuses for this irresponsible and neglectful person. Maybe we should blame the film writer for not creating a more believable and sensitve portrayal. Check out "El Norte" or "Mi Familia" which are much superior films than this sac of horse manure. Adios. And by the way, whether I'm Mexican or not, is sooo irrelevant. Get beyond that, people.

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[–] coprogirl 17 years ago

corvine8, nobody can open up that tight mean heart of yours.

The reason Carlito was not malnourished was because his mother was earning money to send him in Mexico. She left him in the very able care of her mother, who loved him as well as many grandmothers who raise kids in this country.

There was no indication that Abuela was going to die, and Carlito had no guidance on what to do when it happened.

Millions of people come to this country to work and send money home to the family living in the old country, where there is no way to make a decent wage.

That's not the USA fault. But why is it so hard, so expensive for people to immigrate here or work here. The laws are unjust.

I say this as a woman born and raised in this country. Illegal aliens in the US need to become legal. Our country makes it exceedingly hard to immigrate.

We must lobby to change our laws to reflect the reality of what we are living in.

"'Scuse me while I whip this out"
Blazing Saddles

[–] jarey26 17 years ago

correct me if i wrong but never in the movie did they say it was pre-marital

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[–] oneseat 17 years ago

So, let me get this straight - this movie is about someone who pops out a kids, dumps the kid with others to become a criminal in another country and then her son decides the criminal life is for him and joins up with other criminals.

Yep. That's what the US taxpayer wishes to see. A sobfest for those sucking the life out of their country.

LOL. The very definition of the reductionist argument, and you haven't even seen the movie. It must be fun to be so smugly ignorant.

[–] adreamtonight 17 years ago

she kept him well-fed and gave him clothes and attire he would have never gotten in Mexico... like what appears to be expensive sneakers (at least in Mexican). When you don't have anything to live with, things that you might take for granted like clothes mean a lot to people who don't have them.

Read a book, take a class, but PLEASE open up that ignorant mind.

Im not Mexican, I'm a fellow American, and people like you who can't even interpret films properly give the rest of us a bad name.

[–] danny_b_va 17 years ago

Did we see the same movie? Did you not read the subtitles? I would hardly say she was neglectful. She sent him and her mother money every month,$300, plus put aside money for a lawyer to help get him here (counting the money she was cheated out of I believe it was around $5000) which is probably a large % of what she made(that skinny oldcrossdresser with the British accent that came and went probably paid her a pittance,I think the younger couple probably paid her a reasonable wage however), she sent him clothes, and called him every Sunday(Remember the calenders? Every Sunday was marked with a phone and the others name) Now the father, yes he was neglectful. His brother was Carlito's neighbor so it would have been easy for him to stay in contact. Promiscuous? Hardly, her friend yes. Rosario didn't want to even date until Carlos came to America, she was going to marry Paco as a way to expedite that happening.