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Take away the illegal message and you really have no movie to work with.


Not a good drama or a comedy

I just saw this film last night and it was cliché after cliché after cinematic cliché. The story is as generic as it comes, repackaged into stories we all know too well about families from 3rd world countries in the states.


We get the message but there is clearly a much more different way of telling the idea of a mother who has left her son who in turns runs away to come to the States to find her other than this? This is like a live action "An American Tail" almost.

The script is nothing short of telenovela schmaltz too. This film counted with talented actors like Carmen Salinas, Maria Rojo and the child himself that to waste their talents on generic conversational dialogue and cheesy one liners ("my mother says to look to the moon when I miss her, because its the same one she sees").

I do give the film credit for not being overtly caught up in the whole immigration debate as most of the films do (anyone remember "El Norte"?). So it was nice for this weak story to not overly resort to this topic.

Either way, I'm sure the film will stir controversy with both Latinoes in the US and Anti-illegal immigration folks as well because the film can deliver 2 different messages on the subject.

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Wow. I wasn't going to see this movie anyway, but now I'm definitely not going to. I can't believe that it actually had a line like that (though I guess that's why it's called La Misma Luna). I'll never understand why they make movies like this. Do people really think that a movie is going to change people's opinions about something to the point that they're willing to take legislative action? That's ridiculous. Haha. But still, all these movies like La Misma Luna, Rendition, In the Valley of Elah, etc. are coming out. It's a nice fairy tale to believe in, but it takes a lot more than corny dialog for people actually to listen, and lot more than a movie to make them see.

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Contrary to the opinions expressed by the prior two posters, this is an excellent film. Not trite at all, but heartfelt, sincere, and not overlywrought, it's a terrific film. Seriously, this will not only get a huge nod with a nomination and likely win in the Independent Spirit Awards, but it's not too much of a stretch to see the Academy giving it serious consideration. The cast is excellent, the writing is real, the dialogue is natural, nothing false or contrived about it. The line which is ridiculed in the post above is spoken by a 9-year old in the film. He's not quoting "The Nation" or "The Wall Street Journal." It's dialogue which one would easily believe would come from a child.

Lfweigel88 (and everyone else) should see this film. It's not a movie intended to change your mind about anything (including immigration, at least not as a polemic). Rather, it's a movie about people, relationships, danger and distance. According to the writer and director (both of whom spoke at the event where I saw the film tonight), the film is designed to tell the story of separation and the strain on family which results from a decision to emigrate (whether illegally or otherwise) from the point of view of the child; it tells of the impact on the child of his mother's (and his father's) absence has on his life, and his struggle to reunite with his mother. But, I suppose if you didn't like In the Valley of Elah, you might not like this one either.

Don't miss this one.

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"Seriously, this will not only get a huge nod with a nomination and likely win in the Independent Spirit Awards, but it's not too much of a stretch to see the Academy giving it serious consideration."

That's absolutely effing hilarious, but not half as funny as...

"But, I suppose if you didn't like In the Valley of Elah, you might not like this one either."

(gasping; rolling on the floor)

Wait, wait... here's mine: In substance and power, if not in topic, it ranks with the very best Hollywood has to offer, including Apocalypse Now and The Sound of Music.

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plonker.

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Uhm... lfweigel88 films and literature do change legislation and the way we veiw the world... for example take a look at the impact of Upton Sinclare's novel the Jungle. Because of that novel alone the entire meat packageing industry got a change of standards and the FDA was founded.

Doubt it can happen with a film? Take a look at Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" While it hasn't change much as far as legislationin the uited states it has had a global impact on policy makers:

In September 2006, Gore traveled to Sydney, Australia to promote the film. Then Australian Prime Minister, John Howard said he would not meet with Gore or agree to Kyoto because of the movie: "I don't take policy advice from films." Former Opposition Leader Kim Beazley joined Gore for a viewing and other MPs attended a special screening at Parliament House earlier in the week. [52]

After winning the general election a year later, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified Kyoto in his first week of office making the United States the only industrialized nation in the world to not have signed the treaty. [53]

In the United Kingdom, Conservative Leader of the Opposition David Cameron urged people to see the film in order to understand climate change.[54]

In Belgium, Margaretha Guidone persuaded the entire Belgian government to see the film.[55]

In Costa Rica, Al Gore met with president Oscar Arias, and was well received by other politicians and the local media.[citation needed]

In Germany, German Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel bought 6000 DVDs of An Inconvenient Truth to make it available to German schools.[citation needed]

In Spain, after a meeting with Gore, prime minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero said the government will make An Inconvenient Truth available to schools. Gore has received this year's Prince of Asturias Prize for international cooperation [56][57].

Entertainment can change the world, and I think we would have seen some policy change in the US if our president at the time hadn't received over 400 Million dollars in capaign contributions from Oil companies to run for office.

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I don't think they were trying to change people's opinions. I DO think they were trying to tell a story.... that's what films do right ;)

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I think the translation in subtitles might be what makes people think the writing was bad. I speak Spanish and all the dialog seems natural.

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I'd have to agree with Cent ffxi. Alot is lost when translating from one language to another. The dialogue in this movie is natural and makes the storyline so much better.

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I'm with musicbeing.

I saw it tonight and it was a cliche fest. And Anti-American. And Anti-Caucasian. If we're the DEVIL, as depicted in the film, then why do they want to get over here ILLEGALLY so bad?!

If you don't like us or the way we operate, do everyone a favor, STAY in MEXICO!

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Just an fyi. Not all immigrants are illegal. Not all illegals are from "MEXICO". Oh, yeah, and not all Americans are white and speak English. According to the 2005 edition of Ethnologue: Languages of the world, there are 162 living languages spoken in the US. America has always been a nation of immigrants, and for that reason no official national language has ever been chosen.

Por que no te mejores y amplies tu vista del mundo por aprender un nuevo idioma, I did.

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This has to be one of the worst titles in the history of film. Really bad title, and if they really say 'its the same moon my mom sees' then, wow.

i will still probably see this. if it comes down to this vs drillbit taylor or 10000 bc i will still pick this. but if this were a good movie, i'm sure it would have been released either 3 months ago or 3 months from now. this just isn't the kind of movie that comes out at this point of the year if it's good.

i'm still going to go see it probably.

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I saw the movie tonight,and yeah,its pretty cliche,but I found it touching and heart warming in several places,and the acting was quite good.
I dont know if Id call the message "subtle".You overhear a radio broadcast lambasting Govenor Arnold for at least 2 minutes.There is a very funny song asking why the INS hasnt gone after Superman.And a diologue exchange where the heroine says she has to study up on American history for her citizenship exam,and her friend tells her,"Its easy,Americans screwed the Indians,then they screwed the slaves,and now they are screwing the Mexicans;"
Very subtle.

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I haven't even seen the film, but you're right, bimsie, that quote isn't very subtle, nor is the film from what I've gathered. However, if you take into consideration the fact that not many of the individuals that "they" refers to will be watching this film, then you can begin to understand why the director took the liberty of being so blunt.

They're simply trying to get their voice heard, same as the rest of us. (Though some only manage to display their lack of intelligence. =/)

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I saw the movie tonight,and yeah,its pretty cliche,but I found it touching and heart warming in several places,and the acting was quite good.
I dont know if Id call the message "subtle".You overhear a radio broadcast lambasting Govenor Arnold for at least 2 minutes.There is a very funny song asking why the INS hasnt gone after Superman.And a diologue exchange where the heroine says she has to study up on American history for her citizenship exam,and her friend tells her,"Its easy,Americans screwed the Indians,then they screwed the slaves,and now they are screwing the Mexicans;"
Very subtle.

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All of these hate-filled comments are by pathetic simpleton Hispanic-hating bigots. Nothing to see here, move along...

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All of these hate-filled comments are by pathetic simpleton Hispanic-hating bigots. Nothing to see here, move along...

So if I disagree with you about the content of the film,Im a KKK member?Where did you get that from my comment?I even stated that I really enjoyed the movie.
If you thought the movie was free of political comment,then I dont know what to say.Why cant we have a free exchange of ideas about the film without all the name calling?

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FYI, we don't think ALL of you are stupid, just the ones that are so under-educated that they can't seem to grasp the concept of tolerance. I've met plenty of caucasians I respect for their intelligence and wisdom.

Anti-American, xmonn? Your own statements appear to be Anti-American. Isn't the "great" nation of the U.S. all about tolerance? "Stay in Mexico"...that's so welcoming...I myself was born in this country and there's several things I disagree with, including but not limited to our half-brained part-primate president. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So do us a favor, and pop your little bubble of inequality.


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Hi! I stay in Mexico, ok!

By the way, the movie is good, not so good, but good.

PS: If any mexican or any foreigner are in the USA and see this post... come on! is time to return to your country, american people, i mean from rio bravo to canada, do not need you!
poor xmoon, this anti american movie hurt his feelings.

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Im American, and this wasn't Anti-American at all. As an American to another, stop with the ignorance, jeez. You give the rest of us a bad name.

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i hope you're not caucasian because you're proving the white devil belief so well. america is based on illegal immigrants. from 1492 to 2008. and since then it's always been the country of hopes and dreams that. but it's also a country of nightmares. ask any minority.
i thought the movie had cliche's too, but thought it was still a very emotionally entertaining film. and isn't that what we spend our ten bucks on

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steve2005, the reply was for the OP, right?
Not for me?

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cliche' after cliche'?

You obviously have not seen Million Dollar Baby or Crash.

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I understand that everyone has their opinion, and that not everyone enjoyed the film. But I don't understand why people have to bash it in such a way. If you didn't enjoy it then go see movies such as Transformers, the Matrix and even Titanic, that having no importance or meaning make millions of dollars because that is all people enjoy.
But once a movie that has revelance to what is happening to millions of people today and is critical of the United States, people right away have to put up this defense mechanism, just because maybe you yourself have never experience anything that can impact your life, but this movie includes an important message.
and instead of saying that this is just a cliche, take a look at the news, a newspaper perhaps and see what is happening around the world. How people from a Haiti have to migrate to yet another poor country such as the Dominican Republic, to find jobs and food. Or maybe how an African couple immigrated to Ireland, had a son there and now they are being deported. This is not just happening in the United States - Mexico border but around the world. Maybe we should start seeing eachother has friends and less like enemies, we all have the same goal in life and that is to succeed and have a better life not only for ourselves but for our families.




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Amen! Immigration is a hot topic ALL OVER THE WORLD. I was just in Panama, and they don't want me, a white American, taking their jobs anymore than anti-immigration Americans want Mexicans here in the US (because, let's be realistic, that's who they have a big problem with, and Arabs, not just any immigrant...we are most welcoming to white immigrants and never even question their legal status, let's tell the truth here).

Immigration is a messy, emotional situation for everyone, for competing reasons, and this movie is just telling one side of a story with limitless versions. Even if the movie does have a strong slant in one direction (and I don't see it that way), really ANY movie that takes on this topic will have a slant one way or another. If the union guys -- most of my male family members -- were to make a story about immigration, it would feature family after family losing their work prospects to cheaper immigrant (probably illegal) workers. And guess what? Their story would be true, too, and sad, and it still wouldn't be the end-all-be-all authority on the subject. Because the immigrants have families, too, and their bottom line is taking care of their families. Because American-born workers have bottom lines, too, and immigration -- legal or not -- affects them. Because this is a complicated issue that can't be boiled down to a simple position or catchphrase.

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Well said, lngwstx.
But seriously, some people on this board make me lose confidence in the U.S.
Some of you are idiots. Quit trying to seem intelligent by criticizing a film.
Your comments alone tell others how ignorant. For your information, idiot, there are many other countries south of MEXICO that have to go through MEXICO in order to reach the US. AND it isn't just Latin/ Hispanic (whatever you'd like to use) that immigrate here. What about the European and Asian people. OPEN your eyes.
Of course there would be no movie without the topic of Illegal immigration, the story is BASED off of this topic you stupid *beep*
I'm *beep* tired of people who don't open their eyes and minds to what's going on. Whatever, it's cliche, but what *beep* movie isn't nowadays...
Emotion and theme in the movie is what it's about.

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As I stated earlier,I really enjoyed this movie.And since its just a movie,it does gloss over a lot of things,which is natural.What really annoys me about the immigration issue is that it seems like people have positioned it so that the only opinions you hear are from the two extremes:Either the people who think everyone should be able to cross over,and bring everyone youve every met,and every distant cousin,cmon,no borders here!Or the angry bigots who stand at the border with shotguns looking to kill brown people,and would like to send back legal immigrants if they could.
Obviously,there is a real need for Mexican immigrants,because no matter what people say,there are a lot of jobs non immigrants wont do.
If you go by Home Depot or Lowes early in the morning,how many white people do you see standing out there looking for a job?
I wish we could discuss this issue on neutral ground,and try to find a real solution through intelligent diologue instead of this extremist garbage.

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"I wish we could discuss this issue on neutral ground,and try to find a real solution through intelligent diologue instead of this extremist garbage."



Agreed. But there's a SERIOUS lack of education going around, and it'll worsen with the budget cut...but let's not get started on what a jerk the govenator is...>.>

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I think a lot of people here have lost sight of the movie. “La Misma Luna” is a work of art; not an editorial, a news story or a history book. Experiencing it as a movie, not a comment on politics, I liked it a lot.

The actors were terrific and the writing did its job. I felt that I got to know the characters, and I cared very much what happened to them. Yes, we’ve seen the story of the child separated from its mother before. But it’s hard to imagine a more powerful storyline, and we see lots of stories retold in different ways; like “Romeo and Juliet” or “Emma.”

I thought the dialogue was natural and frequently very touching—especially with the boy.

The movie’s background is a hot political topic; but that’s background—no polemics, no preaching. How can you tell any story without background? The background can add something, but very rarely does it make or break a movie. It’s sort of like saying “Stagecoach” was no good, because the scenery was nothing but scrub brush and desert.

I think it’s time to re-focus on the movie, not politics.

Bob

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I kinda felt similar. Although, the hispanics in the audience seemed to enjoy the characterization much more as well as the dialogue. After I realized that the movie was going to be paced this way, I quickly changed preconceived notions and tried to enjoy the film for what it was... I liked it. My friend said that Fox Searchlight has been putting out a lot of independent feel-good films. With this in mind, it makes sense that the movie came out like this.

I must say, though that the college students needing to "pay their tuition" or "had an overflow of parking tickets was a stupid twist." Whatev...

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What a stupid topic! you can tell that the OP has an issue with immigration. How about we take away drugs from the movie traffic, we probably wont have a movie, or take away the heist from ocean's 11, or maybe take away a little alien from E.T. or whatever. Get a life and quit bitching about immigration here.

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the movie is good, nothing special, it has a good message and the story moves along but it's not anything original or groundbreaking and the acting was kind of crap.

Still, it's a movie anybody except people with really *beep* up heads should enjoy.



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And take away the civil war and the slaves and where is Gone with the Wind? The movie does create an awareness of the tremendous injustice that is done to illegal immigrants. The abuse happens every day, cheap labor and discrimination. Sorry if it offends, but look around and see who is cleaning toilets or doing below minimum wage landscaping in most major suburban areas.

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I agree with the OP that this was, for my taste anyways, overly melodramatic, very stylized and superficial in many aspects, as well as too mild and sanitized, especially seeing that it deals with such a heady topic. The characters were pretty shallow and totally overwrought which in turn rendered them not very well developed and quite hard to identify with.

I guess the movie's saving grace was that the actors themselves did try to make the best with the poor script and fragmented storyline they were given. I am a bit unsure about the casting of the kid, I don't want to pick on a child, but simply focussing on him and making him seem the only one able to think and act right, while the rest of the adults are just a bunch of bumbling, irresponsable, stupid and badly drawn caricatures, was definitely NOT the way to go.

I personally like Kate Del Castillo, I have been watching her for many years, even when she did her telenovelas (e.g. "Muchachitas") and I think that she is a very good actress, is just that she needs a much meatier role where she can showcase her acting abilities. She is NOT just a good Mexican actress, she is a good actress period, and in my opinion the only one that did more than a competent job in this movie. I hope that in the future such an opportunity would avail itself, because in the past few years, Latin America has had the fortune to showcase the great and amazing potential it already possessed in so far as actors, directors etc., to the rest of the world. I think that Kate Del Castillo would be a gread addition to that remarkable talent pool stemming from Latin America.

I feel I should add that America Ferrara's role, albeit small, was good and it added more weight to the film.

One last thing that kept this movie floating was the subject matter, obviously the issue of immigration, one that is very much at play in the US these days. Now I don't want to debate the pros and cons of this topic, save to say that I think that it always helps to put a human face and cost to this topic and look beyond statistics and numbers. Perhaps if we can overcome this "THEY" versus "US" mentality, a solution might just be possible. This movie was a step in openning that dialogue, a flawed and weak one but a right one...culture is often a most effective way to communicate...

In so far as other similar movies, I thought that "Maria Eres De Gracia/Maria Full Of Grace" was in almost every way a superior film, and Catalina Sandino Moreno was phenomenal...

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This was pretty good film, maybe not the best, but it was great, it wasn't like all those mexican movies with all the bad things from Mexico, this was more about people, about people that feel.


Maybe I liked it because I am mexican, but I really think that it was a good movie, my younger sister liked it, and my mom did it too.

Don't think about the story, think about how the movie look a like, it was pretty cool.

Well, that's what I think?

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