Pretty good


Thought this was pretty good in places; The battle scenes were spectacular and I thought it was very informative, although some of the dialogue was rather clunky- not helped by an even clunkier voice over which just seemed to state the obvious. You get the impression that this "docu-drama" would have stood up as a drama in it's own right without that.
I enjoyed the performances too: Mido Harmada, Tristan Gemill and particularly Shaun Dingwall as the great Roman general Scipio were all excellent.

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There are a number of inaccuracies in the movie.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe Hannibal was the "good guy" in the real story, or the "lesser of two evils". Roma had always been jealous of Carthage's wealth, and had been backstabbing the Carthaginians in trade agreements. Carthage had no designs on Italia, but only Sicilia and Spain - for the time being. Roma had designs for Sicilia, Africa and Spain. Romans were more inclined to be agressive toward Kart-hadast.

But the movie, erroneously, portrays Hannibal as having spared the city of Roma due to "good manners".

In the real story, he was severely limited in any operational capacity to lay siege to such a gigantic city. Certainly with only 40`000 troops at hand. They were certainly not limited in their knowledge of siege warfare - only in logistical support from mainland Africa. At home, the Sofet (senate) was under the influence of "Hanno", the arch-enemy of the Barka family (Hannibal's family).
Hanno made sure that Hannibal Barka was poorly supplied in Italia. Thus, Hannibal, a great commander, was limited only by the people at home, similar to how Erwin Rommel and his Afrika Korps were forsaken and deprioritized in WW2.
Both due to German officers jealous of Rommel's skills.
Also, I am not sure destroying the city of Roma was among his goals. Considering the army he was wielding, it is far more strategically sound to use it to foment/coerce the Southern parts of Italia into an alliance against Romans.

This is why Hannibal bypassed Roma, and continued towards the disloyal regions of the south. He knew Roma had just conquered southern Italia (Greek Italia - "Magna Graeca") some 50 years earlier. He counted on the Southern "Greek" Italians as allies to join him against the Romans, to "teach the romans a lesson" as it were.

It is true however, the Carthaginians were superior to the Romans in all manners of siege warfare. In fact, Romans didn't start constructing siege artillery until the Marian reforms (100 BC) - and only barely. It was Caesar and his engineer Vitruvius who set the production into full gear around 70 BC. The Greeks and Carthaginians had been working with mural artillery for at least 200 years prior to the Romans. Romans were content with capturing these pieces from Carthaginians.

Another fallacy in the movie, relating to artillery: There were no onagers at this time. Only "catapultae" and "ballistae" using washers. Onagers weren't mentioned until 370 AD by Ammianus - it is possible to imagine the Onagri were used as early as 100 AD .. but that is long after this story of Hannibal (218 BC).

in short:
1)Hannibal did not bypass Roma out of the goodness of his heart.
2)Hannibal did not use onagers.
3)Romans certainly didn't use artillery in any form at this point.

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4) Romans kicked Hannibal's ass in the end, on its own turf.


During his invasion of Italy he defeated the Romans in a series of battles, out of which the most famous included the Battles of Trebia, Trasimene and Cannae. After Cannae he seized the second largest city in Italy, Capua, but he lacked the strength necessary to attack the city of Rome itself. He maintained an army in Italy for more than a decade afterward, never losing a major engagement, but never able to push the war through to a conclusion. During that period of time, the Roman armies regrouped. A Roman counter-invasion of North Africa forced him to return to Carthage, where he was defeated in the Battle of Zama. The defeat forced the Carthaginian Senate to send him into exile. During this exile, he lived at the Seleucid court, where he acted as military advisor to Antiochus III in his war against Rome. Defeated in a naval battle, Hannibal fled again, this time to the Bithynian court. When the Romans demanded his surrender, he preferred to commit suicide rather than submit.

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Actually, I think Hannibal's adventures in the east could be just as interesting as the Italian campaign in the 2nd Punic War.

CaptGantu said:
"The defeat forced the Carthaginian Senate to send him into exile."

This is not true. After Zama, he worked for many years in the Soptim, where he was elected Sopet(Suffete) in 196 BC. He made many important contributions as a Sopet, rescuing a ruined economy with democratic reforms. However, this diminished and infringed on the power of the aristocracy, who usually never like democratic choices anyhow. The aristocrats of Carthage told the Roman senate that Hannibal was planning to ally with the Seleukid Empire and invade Italia a second time. Whether or not it was true was inconsequential - it was an attempt to foment a response from the Romans.

The Roman response came as predicted. They sent a commission of inquiry to Carthage, and it was at THIS point when Hannibal fled to Antioch.

He didn't go into exile because of Zama, but because aristocrats did not like his democratic reforms - infringing on their powerbase.

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Exactly, Hannibal was too smart to take Rome, not too merciful...banking on support from Carthage and defections of more of Rome's allies would have given him a better, quicker and more decisive vistory....

People have likened Hannibal taking Roman to Hitler's invasion of England...actually i have little doubts that the German's would have kicked our asses if it weren't for their invasion of Russia...

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If Hannibal had marched on the city (Italy) after Cannae, this would have involved a complete reversal of his long-term strategy, for despite what the Romans no doubt feared, the destruction of the city probably formed no part of his plans. Even Livy states that after the battle he told his Roman prisoners that "his war with Rome was not to the death, they were striving for honour and for empire," and this is borne out by the embassy he sent to the city, led by Carthalo, to propose terms. What Hanibal hoped to achieve was to win over Rome's Latin and Italian allies.

Source: J.F. Lazenby's "Hannibal's War" This book is replete with (the even controversial discrepensies) of Livy, Polibius, Plutarch, Appian and Cassius and many other historians.

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finially someone who read their history . hannibal believed he couldn't
lay siege to rome with only around 40,000 troops.but his generals
believed he might cut of supply lines to rome and starve them out
which hannibal felt he could not.he felt he needed to resupply his
troops and rest up.it might of been a huge error on his part because
rome sent a army to spain cutting off his supplies then invaded carthage
and having them beg him to come back to protect them.if hannibal had
stayed in rome and invaded the city he might of had a chance to defeat
rome but he could not stop from going home to save his city which
betrayed him so many times.and the reason he lost his battle with
scipio was his calvary deserted him for roman gold and left him with
only a tired ground force plus scipio had learned how to deal with
the elephants.so a great general loyal to his city was beaten but
was able to escape for awhile.until he took his own life before
letting rome take him.hannibal the terror of rome.one man who
might of beaten rome.

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Too bad that this movie is made of close shots. I wish Peter Jackson made this movie because it lacks special effects.

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agree

7 out of 10



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Another inaccuracie: France is called with is actual name, "France", and not "Gaul". The name France is derived from the Franks, that invaded Gaul in IV-V century AD, 600 yrs after Hannibal.

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erm and? They call it france to make the story for the regular viewer without historical background easier to follow. you can hardly call that an inaccuracie or you may just as well mention that: omg they all speak english! and that while the english language didnt excist untill the 16th centuary.

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LOL! I was going to side w/ the previous poster but very good rebuttal djee!


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Pretty good show, and despite some obvious historical falsehoods, I watched it twice and enjoyed it. Decent acting and good battle scenes.

I enjoyed seeing the Roman troops at cannae especially.
I would have loved to have seen more mention of the wider war in spain and sicily but hey its a wee docudrama about Hannibal so fair enough.
7 out of 10.


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I for one was quite disappointed. Too much battle sequences, not enough elephants, and mediocre acting. 4/10.

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what i didn't understand: it felt like i was watching someone's description of a D&D weekend (i.e. "and then we fought here and then we fought there and then we fought here"). the politics were interesting, the battle setups and tactics were interesting, the logic behind combatants and participants interesting - and yet none of these were played out or coherent in a larger filmic way - everything was cobbled together as if someone were just giving a play-by-play. usually, when watching historical documentaries, we are treated to an exploration of themes, an exmination of strengths and flaws, SOMETHING that holds together the film before us. otherwise, why not just look at timelines? docs knit history.

we were given a possible thread, when the narrator said that history's greatest sweeping changes sometimes come down to single decisions, but then we were shown a variety of decisions being made at a variety of times and places, with no single decision causing the sweeping change of our expectations. there were multiple bad decisions, and many good ones - and a lot of luck and skill.

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