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Eric Bana/ Natalie Portman vs Jonathan Rhys Meyers/ Natalie Dormer


Ok please don't kill me for what I'm gonna say but i felt Natalie Portman and Eric Bana had better Romantic chemistry than Jonathan Rhys Meyers and Natalie Dormer.

Jonathan and Natalie Dormer were incredibly sexy together and as an audience we felt their passion, lust and desire they had for each other actually in that way they win over Portman/Bana but the latter showed more romantic love and sweetness (well before the rape scene ) but still they looked more like a couple in love meanwhile Jonathan and Natalie looked more like a couple in lust

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Agreed.

IMO, Eric Bana is a better actor.

I look at it this way, I would like to cuddle up to Mr. Bana NOT JRM.

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I think both are very good actors but Eric is so underrated, I did like him a lot in The Other Boleyn Girl, Troy and Time travelers wife.



I look at it this way, I would like to cuddle up to Mr. Bana NOT JRM.


Me too, Eric is much more my type of man.

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I much preferred Jonathan and Natalie Dormer. I thought they had great chemistry. Whereas Eric Bana seemed very wooden as Henry, each to their own though of course lol

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The script did not give Mr. Bana very much to do.

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Agreed and I'd say the same for Natalie Portman who I thought was great in some scenes, especially in her Trial or when she comes back from Exhile.

And like I said she had a very good Romantic chemistry with Eric Bana.
Jonathan and Natalie Dormer had great chemistry as well but it was too much of a sexual chemistry and not romantic loving chemistry.

Maybe it's the show which went a little too far with sex but sometimes I felt Natalie Dormer and Jonathan Rhys Meyers were portrsying an Erotic version of Henry and Anne.

But again I'm probably blaming the wrong people since all cable historical series look like porn series, I promise I'm not a prude and I say when I liked a hot scene but those shows always made me wonder am I watching an historical series or an erotic drama with old times costumes.



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I agree with you. Natalie Dormer and Jonathan Rhys Mayer look not so romantic, as if their love is based on dirty lust.

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I agree with you. Natalie Dormer and Jonathan Rhys Mayer look not so romantic, as if their love is based on dirty lust.


Cool someone else noticed so and it's great you agreed with me.





Yes their sexual chemistry was great but their Romantic Chemistry not so much and with those two it's the first time I noticed so, but you know what most of my favorite romantic Couples have more sexual than Romantic chemistry.


Maybe with Jonathan and Natalie Dormer was too intense to disguise it as Romantic chemistry.

I never was able to see the difference till I saw the Fault in our starts, at first I thought the actors Shailenne and Ansel doesn't have that much chemistry not compared to the chemistry she had with Theo James in divergent but watching latter more pictures with them( Ansel and Shailenne) I thought yeah they look very cute together and that's when I realized that they had a great romantic chemistry it's just that it wasn't the sexual chemistry she shared with Theo in Divergent.


And with them I realized how most of my favorite Romantic on screen couples are more like my sexiest on screen couples lol its just a that their directors were able to disguise their hot chemistry as Romantic Chemistry.

Which all these made re watch videos from the other Boleyn Girl and this series and that's when I really saw how Portamn and Eric Bana were great together and actually looked more like a romantic Couple.

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Eric was a better Henry imo, not only did he have the height and body of a king but he carried himself regally. Jonathan just cane off like a spoiled rock star. ND was much better than NP as Anne, she had 2 years to make you fall in love with her and at the same time want to smack her. NP looked more like Anne but Dormer really became Anne. I don't believe Bana and Portman had better romantic chemistry, there was hardly any romance ino. He was chasing a woman he couldnt have and she was scheming and manipulating him to get back at her sister. I honestly never believed Portman's Anne loved Henry nor the other way around.

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Well they didn't have the greatest chemistry but it's just when I re watched The other Bolyen girl after along time and watching the Fault in our stars I realized the chemistry between Jonathan and Natalie dormer was too based on lust.

It gree that Natalie Dormer played a better Anne but Portman was fine and could have been great with a better script.

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Natalie D. true especially when she was discussing Henry VIII with her brother. It was all strategy and tactics for power not love.

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I think Eric and Natalie Portman had the best chemistry, even if they had the worse of the two scripts.

To begin with, Natalie Portman was the perfect Anne for me in regards to looks and personality. She has Anne's beautiful dark goggly eyes, dark hair and olive complexion compared to Dormer's pale skin and blue eyes. She also portrayed her as sophisticated, elegant, intelligent and shrewd, all the things Anne was. We were told of all of Anne's accomplishments in The Tudors but i didn't think we saw much of them to be honest.

Although neither Bana nor Rhys Meyers particularly look like Henry VIII, i think Bana looked a lot more majestic, and he played Henry as being occasionally kind and romantic, not a nympho, ranting psychopath like he was in The Tudors. With Bana, I could see why people called Henry Bluff King Hal.

With Bana and Portman, you could see why they were attracted to each other and that Henry was in love with Anne's boldness and sparkling personality, and it wasn't just blind lust like between Dormer and Rhys Meyers, who couldn't wait to shag each other! There was a definite connection between Bana and Portman, a playful romance and love. Rhys Meyers and Dormer seemed more like partners in crime who slept with each other and only got married because Anne wouldn't let her into her panties.

The only reason why i think Natalie Portman's Anne is so disliked is because of the storyline and script of the movie. Philippa Gregory wrote Anne as an antagonist and so she is not as sympathetic as she is in The Tudors which rubs people up the wrong way. She also made Anne lose her dignity quite a lot, and I think although Portman portrayed Philippa Gregory's version perfectly well, it didn't do justice to the real Anne and this upsets people also.

Unfortunately, people criticise the actors rather than the storyline.

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You have analyzed this perfectly. ⬆





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Couldn't have said it better

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Yeahh because Hollywood actors really love to have sex with any actress. Perhaps a lover on screen that can bring the romantic chemistry but not trying to sucked each other faces?

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I did not like the other Boleyn girl. At all. And part was the so called chemistry. Didn't see it between them. Jrm and Natalie were on fire, imo and Natalie dormer is a better actress, to me. Bana's Henry came off just.. Not right. While jrm had things to improve, i think he got Henry's spoiled and neurotic behavior. I think the romance was good.

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Jrm and Natalie were on fire


That's excatly the problem with their chemistry, they were on fire not Cute, they showed pure Lust not love, a great amount of lust won't deny that like they couldn't take their hands of each other but it was all sensuality, desire and passion between Jrm and Natalie Dormer.

If I consider them One of the sexiest on screen couples hell yes but romantic not so much

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but it was all sensuality, desire and passion between Jrm and Natalie Dormer.

Despite what most people think I believe that the above is what was going on between Henry and Anne. I think Anne married Henry because he was King and she lost the man she really wanted and I think Henry married Anne because he was attracted to her and wanted a son. I'm not sure Henry was ever really in love with any of his wives. For this reason I think that JRM and ND hits closer to the real mark, besides I found NP to be annoying and far to bitchy as Anne and Bana to be to wishy washy and weak to be a good Henry.

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There was lust between them but I feel their was love as well in their relationship.
Henry's letters to Anne were made of love and I think Anne felt in love with Henry as well, she first loved someone else but with Henry's insistence Anne started to love him too.


Sure maybe Eric Bana was too nice to play Henry but looked more like a king he pulled off the King's beard much better Lol and Natalie Portman even though her portrayal was more bitchy that's because of the source Material from Philipa Gregory who hates Anne Boleyn so in all her books puts Anne in a bad light.


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See, and I read those letters and see someone who is infatuated and in lust but not really in love. I honestly think the only woman Henry ever truly loved in any sense of the word was his mother. I often wonder how he would have been had Elizabeth of York lived to an old age. Would she have been able to reign him in some?

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I didn't like Dormer/Bana together at all, and I'm in love with Eric Bana. Honestly I didn't care much for the movie overall but I thought the chemistry between them felt forced. I think Bana looks more like a regal king than Jonathan did but he didn't have much to work with acting wise. I think given good material, he could've been great. As for Natalie P, I just didn't like her portrayal of Anne at all. Perhaps it was the script but I felt she was trying too hard to be a b!tch. Yes Anne can be viewed in that light but she was a very layered person and I didn't see that in Nat D's Anne.

I think Jonathan/Natalie D. had great chemistry together. I believed in the great passion (I say passion because I'm not so sure he loved anyone truly except himself) he had for her and why he moved mountains to make her his queen. Was there a lot of lust? Of course, but I also bought their passion and do believe he cared for her in the beginning. I also bought how that passion fell apart, they played the downward spiral of their relationship beautifully.

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If you notice on The Tudors Henry loves none of his wives, they fill a desire he has at a particular moment. JRM and Natalie was mostly lust because some argue that was all Henry felt for her; how could he do what he did to her if he actually loved her.
There was 0 love between Portman and Baba there was no scene between them that screamed romantic. She never felt anything for him other than a way to hurt her sister and to get power; he wanted the woman he couldn't have and it drove him mad.
If you want to see a real romance between Henry and Anne watch Anne of the Thousand Days.

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I keep trying to figure out why I couldn't warm to Henry&Anne on The Tudors, and honestly thank you and the posters on this thread for pointing it out. Henry & Anne like many TV/Movie couples particularly of the 2000's era fall into the category of "sex" couples. All tptb focus on is the sex/sexual attraction and pay no attention to the non physical aspect of the relationship.

Summer boredom has me watching the show for the 3rd time on Netflix (because once you click on The Tudors it never goes away), and honestly I'll say that in the few and far between moments when Henry&Catherine were shown as being believable as a couple or a couple that once had a marriage they were romantic; and I think that was more the actors playing it that way.

Season 2 is unbearable to me, because once it's time for the actual marriage part of Henry and Anne's relationship to begin with the non sex expectations of a relationship it's just exhausting. These two didn't have a romance they had a sexmance, when they weren't making out (poor Compton and anyone who had to witness that) they were talking and tempting one another with sex.

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You do know that before the advent of the internet and television people found better ways to keep themselves entertained or busy, right? In the 15th century, people flocked to executions the same way contemporary folk flock to football games. People at Court had affairs from sunset to sunrise. They were constantly amusing themselves with relations with strangers, acquaintances and whatnot. The Hirst brought on attractive yet very talented actors to play the characters. If they looked anything like the portraits of royalty they portrayed no one would watch the show. The actors did prepare for their roles. Natalie Dormer wouldn't have played a convincing Anne Boleyn had she not read the biographies on the queen. Jonathan was exhausted from having to portray Henry because the individual was charismatic, mighty, passionate, temperamental, etc. to an extreme. Hirst did a great job with creating a historical drama despite its fictional components.

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Where did you get that from what I said?

I have never watched The Tudors to study for a history exam. All I'm saying is I that I never "shipped" Henry and Anne, because outside of sex I couldn't see anything to build a marriage off of; and certainly not to send a country, religion, etc into an uproar.

I think Natalie Dormer and Jonathan Rhys Meyers did wonderful jobs with the material they were given, but again the relationship that I've seen playing on my screen wasn't that of romance/intellectuals; but of sex.

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Did you watch every episode of season one and two?

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I've watched every episode of The Tudors twice and I'm about to do it a 3rd time.

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There were only three sex scenes between them.

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Just because they only had 3 sex scenes doesn't mean that the main basis/selling point wasn't sex.

What pressed the gas on Henry wanting to marry Anna was when she rejected his sexual propositions and told him she wouldn't without marriage.

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