Was this made by PETA?


I found myself more sympathetic toward the antagonists, such as the boss and the neighbor rather than the bleeding-heart characters played by Molly Shannon and Peter Saarsegard(check spelling). Anyone ever heard of the food chain, animal testing to better human life through improved medicine or a delicious meal(not Vegan)? I cannot stand these bleeding heart idiots who try to save the world one(or 15) puppy at a time. Try telling a starving child in Ethiopia that it's wrong to eat an animal!!! Sorry to spoil the fun but ANIMALS ARE NOT PEOPLE. Bad movie, Bad message(Unless you support PETA). And because I can see it a mile away, let me make it known that I don't support Michael Vick or any of his ilk. Torture of an animal is wrong(Common decency). Way to go PETA, you protested and demonstrated at a plea agreement!!! IDIOTS!!!

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I just rented and watched this. Didn't care for it too much (and I'm an animal lover, especially dogs. The death of her first dog definitely got to me). That being said, check out this from TMQ on espn.com. He makes some good points. Basically that the vast majority of animals most of us eat everyday (cows, chickens, etc.) are tortured just as Vick tortured dogs. In fact electrocution and slitting the throat of these animals we eat is legal. Check it out:

"Much more troubling is that the overwhelming majority of Americans who eat meat and poultry -- I'm enthusiastically among them -- are complicit in the systematic cruel treatment of huge numbers of animals. Snickering about this, or saying you're tired of hearing about it, doesn't make it go away. Most animals used for meat experience miserable lives under cruel conditions, including confinement for extended periods in pits of excrement. (Michael Pollan, who enthusiastically consumes meat and fowl, describes the mistreatment in his important new book The Omnivore's Dilemma.) Meat animals don't magically stop living when it's time to become a product; they suffer as they die. One of Vick's dogs was shot, another electrocuted. Gunshots and electrocution are federally approved methods of livestock slaughter, sanctioned by the Department of Agriculture for the killing of cows and pigs. Regulations under the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958 give federal sanction to shooting cows or pigs, or running electrical current through their bodies. Shooting and electrocution are viewed by federal law as humane ways to kill animals that will be consumed. Federal rules also allow slaughterhouses to hit cows in the head with a fast-moving piston that stuns them into semiconsciousness before they are sliced up. Being hit in the head with a powerful piston -- does that sound a bit painful, a bit cruel? It's done to tens of thousands of steers per year, lawfully.


Don't say "eew, gross" about how meat animals are butchered, then return to denouncing Vick. If you're eating a cheeseburger or BLT or steak or pot roast today, there's a good chance you are dining on an animal that was shot or electrocuted. You are complicit. You freely bought the meat, you did not demand Congress strengthen the Humane Slaughter Act. Livestock can be calmed and drugged before being slain. A few slaughterhouses do this, but most don't because it raises costs, and you, the consumer, demand the lowest possible price for your meal. Now about your turkey sub or coq au vin. Federal slaughter regulations apply mainly to large animals, leaving considerable freedom in the killing of fowl. Many poultry slaughterhouses kill chickens by slashing their throats rather than snapping their necks. Snapping the neck kills the bird quickly, ending suffering, but then the heart dies quickly, too. Slashing the throat causes the bird to live in agony for several minutes, heart still beating and pumping blood out of the slash -- and consumers prefer bloodless chicken meat.


Further, the Humane Slaughter Act exempts kosher and halal slaughter. In both traditions, the cow or lamb must be conscious when killed by having its carotid artery, or esophagus and trachea, slashed. The animal bleeds to death, convulsing in agony, as its heart pumps blood, which is viewed as unclean, out of the slashed openings. The delicious pastrami we consumed at a kosher deli, or the wonderfully good beef we could buy at a halal butcher, comes from an animal that suffered as it died."

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Interesting article. But i think the real question at the heart of the "cruelty to animals" case is if animals have a soul or not? Or, more precisely, do certain animals have souls while others do not. If I step on an ant, is this equivalent to chopping off a chicken's head. Is chopping off a chicken's head equivalent to slaughtering a pig or cow. Too much ambiguity. They are all below human beings on the food chain and should be utilized as sustenance.

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Quote: They are all below human beings on the food chain and should be utilized as sustenance.

Why? There's no need to so. Humans can gain all necessary nutrients from a plant based diet, so why insist that we should eat animals?

If killing animals causes them pain (a bad thing, the question of soul doesn't need to be raised, regardless of my, your, or anyone else's 'opinion'), and we don't need to do it, then why 'should' we do it?

Lions are above the food chain from humans - should they be eating us?

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No i think the better question is, do humans have souls or not? What does it matter if a chicken has a soul or does not? In the end it will still feel pain and it will still suffer. Are you supposing that animals witout "souls" are exempt from suffering? That sure is not the case if youve ever seen a hurt animal... they deffinitly feel pain. I accidently step on my cats tail and he is crys out in pain.

There is no scientific proof (or any other kind) for the exsistance of the soul, and you are worried about weather or not farm animals have them? It does not matter. . .

Animals feel pain and thats all there is too it. If you are comfortable enough with yourself that it doesnt bother you that they suffer before death, well then thats fine, enjoy your hamburger. :) If the thought bothers you however, you can do something about it.

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The argument that they are animals not people is very self-centered and facile.
Someone else in this thread said it also when they questioned the either/or attitude. Why does caring for people exclude caring for animals. The movie was a bit sentimental, but all the people in the movie were caring people even if some were a bit misguided. That was interesting. The situation of starving people world-wide could be solved without eating animals. There are plenty of proteins and nutritious foods that can be used, and which are probably more economical also. And the bottom line is that animals are sentient beings who share our existence on this planet and deserve respect and humane treatment, no matter what, and not in opposition to people or instead of people but along with people. They are not just lower on the food chain, and even in that weird perspective, so what?
How does that excuse inhumanity or not responding to the needs of feeling creatures.

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"The argument that they are animals not people is very self-centered and facile."

Thank you.

"Why does caring for people exclude caring for animals."

Thank you again. I am really sick of the either/or attitude. Just because some people devote their lives to rescuing animals does not mean that they don't care about people. Why is it that if you work in animal rescue, you are constantly having to defend what you do? Why must you always deal with idiots always asking "well don't you care about people?" ??? Why must this ALWAYS be brought up?

And, someone please tell me, why is there this whole concept that if you help animals, you must be a people hater? Why is it that working to help animals is thought to be a bad thing by some people? Amazing. You try to do good by the world, and still some a**holes have a problem with it. Brilliant.

It's pathetic. I know people who don't do a single f---ing thing for any type of charity. None at all. Yet I do, but because it's for animals, often on these boards I get insulted for it (by some morons) simply because the charity work I have chosen to do does not meet with their approval.

F--- them. When they devote much of their life to ANY charity, then maybe I will consider their opinion. Until then, bite me.



Oh, it's okay, I wouldn't remember me either.

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I'm actually surprised so many people found this film PETA propaganda as I thought in a way it questioned animal rights extremism as much as anything. To me the mass adoption and euthenasia of Valentine showed you just cannot save every animal. Peggy's ideology isn't really a deep, philosophical realization but conspicuously a parroting of what she reads in Newt's suggested books, on PETA's websites, etc. The animal rights she espouses are not so much a message to the audience as an outlet for the grief and guilt over Pencil's death.

I don't think Peggy's choice to join up with the protest was meant to be a call to action so much as what she found fulfilling; as someone with a deep connection with the animals in her life, she could provide a voice for those animals marginalized as she had once been. Despite being generally kind, she clearly has no real gift with people, why would she be gifted at being the mouthpiece of a human charity? The boss was right, IMHO, and not particularly a villain; but the final protest scene is not over some life saving clinical trial, but Draize eye testing rabbits for cosmetics which does seem a bit vain and wasteful. Of course Peggy would never deny available food to a starving child, but as she seems to be doing well enough, can afford it, and finds it morally responsible, why not adopt a vegan lifestyle?

Finally, I don't necessarily understand this either/or treatment of social advocacy. Why can't an individual care about people first but also abhor brutal mistreatment of animals? I personally put human issues first but I still adopted my dogs from shelters, oppose dog fighting and other needless cruelties, and give money to our humane society. I think there's a distinct difference between being an extreme animal liberationist and just caring about animals.

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