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Plot hole

posted 8 years ago by jname967
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I realize this is pretty high into the geek zone of the nitpicker scale, but that's what these boards are for: shameless geeking out on a show's details.

A random thought I always had was regarding one of the latter-series episodes where Jack is looking for a new protege to replace Liz. He comes up with an acronym of traits that spells out "dick"—and the D stood for Drive. Jack went on a bit about how much drive–quite a bit, it sounded like.

And that's what stood out to me, cuz: Liz never seemed to be that driven. Was she into her show? Yes, but that could also be read as circumstantial since, as it was well documented, she didn't have much of a social life. Also, Liz even confirmed her (lack of drive) once, when Jack pressed her: "Where do you see yourself in five years?" And she divulged: "Realistically? Teaching improv to seniors on a cruise ship."

I just felt like in this aforementioned episode, they conveniently made it out as if Liz was such a prize for a mentor, with "drive". Keep in mind, in this episode Jack does exalt a list of virtues to a pretty high degree, of which as I said: Liz didn't seem to ever live up to!

[–] numberonecubsfan 8 years ago

Having just watched the pilot as I begin watching this again...he was very impressed with the way she called him the hell out and fought for her friends and the integrity of the show. She's very passionate in other ways and it struck a chord with him.

[–] jname967 8 years ago

Great point, BUT... this show shifted quite a bit in tone from the first season, as true fans know. Liz was not at all passionate about TGS after the first season. Passionate about principles and rules? Yes. Her show? Not so much. It was more of a codependent relationship, lol.

[–] TheBeardedWonder 8 years ago

Nah she traded a sex act with a higher up to keep her show alive, and was the only one who kept fighting for it while everyone else went to their backup plans when it was put on forced hiatus. Remember she has just enough DIHC (or whatever the acronym) was for her to be a protege, even if she's lacking in one she may have enough of another category to make up for it.

[–] CheruthCutestoryII 8 years ago

First of all, no shame in nitpicking.

I do see your point but I think she's pretty driven. She's just self-deprecating a lot of the time.

When push comes to shove she's done insane things to keep her show on the air. And when the show ended she was driven enough to get another gig after trying to be a stay at home mom for all of a day.

She's definitely a lazy slacker sometimes too but at the end of the day she's achieved her dream job at a relatively young age (head writer of a TV show). And kept it on the air despite all odds.

All that being said, Jack was BSing a little bit. There isn't really any logic to his and Liz's relationship. It's not about her dick (I hear it and I don't care.) She's not really his mentee after like the second season. They are friends. He loves her (like the Anglo-Saxons would say in their feasting halls not as it's been co-opted by Hallmark.) He missed his friend.

Most people thought I was a hero for killing Lydia's parrot.