I don't get it...


Who did Hervé spend the night with in Japan? I thought it was with the japanese girl he had an eye on, but was she the one watching? Who did he make love with then?

And how did Helene get to learn about the japanese girl? Who told her if Hervé kept this a secret?

Thanks in advance.

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There is no meaning to it at all, but they hope it might be mistaken for art. Just pretentious trash but they had a lot of money to spend so it is pretty pretentious trash -- nothing more than a vehicle for a bit of soft porn.

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ok the sensible answer..... cmcurrie2. Go and read the book then watch the film again.

He doesn't sleep with the girl he likes. The girl he likes is outside upset. I think the girl he likes pretty much 'belongs' to the bloke who is selling the silkworms...

As for who told her about the japanese girl.... Hmmm it must have been the guy who sends him to get the worms. I can't see any other explanation...

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Yes, she was a different girl: <<Spoiler alert!>> The film is pretentious trash about a husband who sleeps with a girl/concubine he's never seen before while the girl of his dreams suffers as she listens to the sex, his business partner betrays him by warning his wife that her husband is risking his life and the financial security of the town to see his obsessional love object, and his wife suffers about his lack of love for her during the remainder of her barren and short life. Lovely.

The film makers hope we mistake the trash for art, but it is just a vehicle to get soft porn into non-porn theaters. See it AGAIN? Why would I waste more time on a film that promotes obsessional illicit sex?

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...It is not porn. Sorry. Even the lovemaking scenes were pretty, uh, boring. I mean, yeah, there are a couple of shots of female breasts, but come on, porn? I think that's a little dramatic.

However, cmcurrie2's summary is correct otherwise. The cinematography is pretty enough, but it's a terribly boring story. Granted, I've never read the book, so maybe it's more interesting, but over all, I was expecting something with a little more action... And of course, I do not mean "Transformers"-type action, but...you know...SOMETHING.

If you want to see a movie of a similar strain, but is a TON better, see "The Painted Veil." It's totally beautiful, and you'll feel more satisfied at the end.

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Yes, Painted Veil is excellent, and beautiful as well!

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The Japanese women all looked alike, it was confusing. First I thought the
concubine came to Paris to be the Madam. And at first thought the one in the water was the girl he had just spent the night with.

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"The Japanese women all looked alike, it was confusing. First I thought the
concubine came to Paris to be the Madam. And at first thought the one in the water was the girl he had just spent the night with."

Wow, you really must know a lot of Asian women! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

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Soft porn? So are you Amish or Mennonite?

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I think this movie is slow... you wait too long for somenthing to happen, and eventually it doesn't happen...

MARCE I LOVE VALENTINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Strange, the sex scenes weren't explicit at all, not even close to soft porn, or even THE softest porn.


In the end it seemed like a sad movie about missing the love of your life because of fantasies. I think he actually loved her, but got lost in Japan and the woman he met there.

"Pay more attention to the wife who loves you". That is a common moral in porn films, I'm sure.

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Indeed, cmcurrie2 is right. It's pretentious trash, typical sad story that's only depressing (for) everyone and for no good reason other than to show some nudity and HOPE to win some awards seeing as that's the kind of trash that always does.

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First of all, I would like to ask who the heck was the lighting director on this film? I think I missed half of it because I couldn't see it! I know they were trying to create a melancholy atmosphere and I know that there was no electric light in either the French town or in Japan, but good grief!

I don't know how Helene knew about the obsession with the Japanese girl. In one scene, she and Herve are making love and she is crying. Maybe it was because they cannot have a child, but also maybe because she just feels that her husband is changed in some way. I don't understand the obsession in the first place. I mean, they don't exchange a single word, they hardly glance at one another, he already has a loving, beautiful wife, etc. I haven't read the book, so maybe there is more to it, but are we supposed to guess it was just love at first sight? Or, the allure of the exotic?

I was kind of disappointed, but must admit that the nature of that long letter was a surprise! Didn't see that coming!

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Actually, that is a really good theory mamahale. Now the movie makes much more sense to me now. I have two questions though, did the Japanese lord kill the Dutch traitor? What really happened? And if so, why? Because Honere (sp?) found the Dutch traitor's glasses on the rock and the Dutch traitor is never without them. Also, why would the Lord kill the little boy and not just kill Honere for getting the message? Why kill the boy in the first place and not just punish him?

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The girl Hervé was obsessed about was not a Japanese. She was a Chinese. Most probably a reward or a loot from China. She was the Jap village leader's companion or prize, but not wife. Naturally, Hervé could not have made love with her. She only brought to him a prostitute to spend the night with, as a sign of the lasting friendship between Hervé and the leader.

As to the second part of your question, a woman's intuition can sense if there is another woman. After the final voyage, Hervé was god-awfully depressed and pulled himself into seclusion. So she tried to look into the matter. Baldabiou knew he looked for a Jap translator, so he could have shared that little piece of information with her, and apparently, there was only one translator nearby. If Madame Blanche's memory served her right, it was not difficult to find out about all this at all.

There is nothing difficult to understand in it. I don't get why you did not get it. It is not really desirable to explain every procedure step by step. It's a good thing that the director never explained every single detail, because it does not matter exactly how she found out. What matters is what she did when she found out.

EDIT: I think cmcurrie2 has been badly beaten and harassed by some Japanese or Japanese mafia or someone else related to Japan, or maybe he wanted to be Francois Girard's gay lover, but was turned down. He calls this wonderful movie porn because it had 3-4 minutes of nudity in the whole film. It really gets on my nerves when losers with pathetically miserable educational standards or hidden grudge come here, thinking they are quite somebody and can also comment on films because they are qualified enough to type some basic English!

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Nobody told her her husband was in love with a japanese girl, but come on, she's not stupid! He keeps going back to japan and when he comes back he's all melancholy, what woman wouldn't guess?

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OK, I can't say that I was able to pay well enough attention the whole movie, but there was a part where Herve told Helene all about the concubine. That along with everything else was enough for anyone to guess.

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He didn't though... I think the moment you're thinking of is when he tells Helene the story of how silk was discovered (by the third wife of the emperor), allegedly told to him by a trader.








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I think she sensed there was another woman..and after a convo she had with herve's boss - She says" well I'll have to give him a reason to come back." I kind of took that as he told her then...

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The woman in Japan that he loves is not available. She is the silkworm sellers wife, girlfriend or geisha. A Geisha is not a prostitute. She is a host and typically she serves Hervé tea. You can see this because the knot on her obi belt is on the back(she has an assistant to dress).

This woman brings an Oiran (prostitute) to Hervé. You can recognise her by the knot at the front of her obi (the customer can undress her).
Usually Oiran also have bare feet (considered sexy) where other women wear socks.


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Yeah that bit with the other Japanese girl confused me too. I still don't get why that happened... So far as I can tell, the guy cheated on his wife but couldn't get the girl he wanted so he just slept with some random. Strange story.

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Lovely movie to look at but very slow and no meaning. Why chase after a woman across the earth you cannot have? No wonder Michael Pitt looks bored most of the time.

This movie was better kept as a book. Wasted money on a film

The Painted Veil was a great, romantic and beautiful film. It explored all the emotions between a married couple from rage, betrayal to passion and love. That sex scene between Ed Norton and Naomi Watts was the most passionate love scene onscreen.

This movie was an exercise in boredom.

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My advice is to not bother with questions. There are loads of theories as to who, what, why, where, when and how, but really I doubt the people involved in making this film put nearly as much effort into making it as the people on these boards are in analyzing it. Most any question one might have could be answered thus: the creators were trying to perpetuate the exotic Asia myth. That is the answer for all the chasing of women, the mysterious deaths etc. Did somebody actually not pick up on this even after the movie began with a naked chick in a hotspring glancing back all coyly??? This movie is the spiritual successor to "Shogun" and the like.

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I'm to presume this rubbish is akin to Vanilla Sky or Donnie Darko where you just go with your gut instinct and realize right after the end, the film was actually as intellectually stupefying as you originally suspected half way in. Having stated what I did, I do love the mentioned films even though the plots are for kids. If a 'mature' film has the right to put the viewer to sleep, refunds should be issued.


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Of course it wasn't the girl he liked, she belonged to the leader and we can see her outside the room.
As for the moment she found out I thought that she realized when they were making love and she starts crying, maybe he changed his "style" or something.

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most people in this thread are looking at the movie from a western POV, which is why you are confused...

The Girl belonged to the village Lord and he loved her. She fell in love on sight with Herve.

When he returned from France, it was clear she loved him more than ever, but she could never act on such a love, for it would mean death for them both, and she would never dishonor herself or her lord or hurt him through such a shameful act.

The girl who sang at the dinner was either a peasant or a trusted friend (more likely)... and The Girl asked The Singer to be with Herve to express the deep love that she could not.... to at least give him a gift of love that she would probably never be able to give herself.

The Lord knew about the gift, and was deeply hurt by it, as the gift alone was such an intimate expression from The Girl. However, he could do nothing as he loved her and she had respectfully avoided actually betraying him.

This movie is deeply moving and romantic if you are sensitive to Japanese custom of that age, but very few western people today know anything about the gift of another for example.

As far as Helene, it was a small town and Herve went looking for someone to translate Japanese and he went to Japan at great risk when he didn't have to so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there was great emotion there.

If you know about the Japanese, this movie is a great tearjerker, if not it sucks... there's not really an in between. so it's got a pretty small audience and thus the unfair rash reviews and poor boxoffice... bumma as I really dig it.

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smfilm has got it. I feel sorry for those of you who couldn't enjoy the film. It's actually very good.

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Agreed. It was a beautiful film. All of the hate is silly.

And sex scenes and just how sexy they are is purely subjective anyway. One is not better than the other just because you've got a crush on a certain actor.



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