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Thanks Jen :) I just had to vent...get my feelings out cause I just wanted to let them know but yeh I've dealt with trolls so I figured yeh that's what's going on so I shall ignore them too...trolls...should be destroyed...

How annoying all these trolls are.
It feels like a man telling you what its like to give birth. They have no idea what they are talking about.

It is a deep dark suicidal depression.

"What are you laughing at?
If you say Jimmy Fallon, I'll know you're lying!"

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No, you are the loser for coming to a message board, one in fact where apparently you don't belong, to TELL someone else that they are a loser.

I mean c'mon, honestly, think about it...

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Laughs at person who called me a loser...honey...I've been called worse so if you think calling me a loser is going to hurt my feelings think again...what is this anyway? A message board or grade school? Sheesh...feels like I'm in school again with all this namecalling...we're entitled to our feelings but enoughs enough...Matthew you're a troll...anybody else who has been on here and called ED victims or been abusive like Matthew has are trolls...now STOP IT...this is a message board..NOT GRADE SCHOOL

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Whoa buddy...I'm sensing a lot of anger here. Tell you what, take a breath, calm yourself, and think for a minute.

Why do you have such hostile feelings toward women with eating disorders? Whether it's a "trend" or an actual disorder, you seem to harbor some resentful feelings toward them.

Seriously, these unfortunate ladies (whether you think its for attention or not...they're not eating...and that's not good) have no bearing on your life, so get over yourself.

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Ooh, he busted out the CAPSLOCK KEY. Dude really must be angry. Maybe HIS daddy didn't get him a pony..?

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Aw, poor baby has his panties in a bunch because no-one will listen to his voice of reason and wisdom! Poor, poor oppressed little honeybunch! *pinches cheeks*

Actually, you're wrong on all points. I'm a girl, yeah, but I don't have an eating disorder and I don't know anyone who does, fortunately, so no blinders required.

Just because you don't think it's a real disease doesn't make it okay to laugh at, because many people do think it's a real disease, and have real trouble overcoming it. It afflicts both men and women, and many die from it. If that doesn't make it real enough for you, then nothing will.

But whatever, do what you want. I can't stop you, and I can't tell you what to do. If you want to be an insensitive louse, that's your prerogative.

ahem...I give the psychological and physical issues concerning anorexia and bulimia..how it is in fact a disease and what it does to the victim...though there is no hope in getting to Mathew cold, heartless, insensitivity(do you have any emotions whatsoever? Do you even care about any issues in this world? Is there not one you don't laught at or ridicule? Do you not realize that ED'S ALSO AFFECT MEN?) well here they are:

Anorexia is a life threatening condition that can put a serious strain on many of the body's organs and physiological resources. A recent review of the scientific literature outlined a number of reliable findings in this area.[3] Anorexia puts a particular strain on the structure and function of the heart and cardiovascular system, with slow heart rate (bradycardia) and elongation of the QT interval seen early on. People with anorexia typically have a disturbed electrolyte imbalance, particularly low levels of phosphate which has been linked to heart failure, muscle weakness, immune dysfunction, and ultimately, death. Those who develop anorexia before adulthood may suffer stunted growth and subsequent low levels of essential hormones (including sex hormones) and chronically increased cortisol levels. Osteoporosis can also develop as a result of anorexia in 38-50% of cases,[4] as poor nutrition lead to the retarded growth of essential bone structure and low bone mineral density.

Furthermore, changes in brain structure and function are early signs of the condition. Enlargement of the ventricles of the brain is thought to be associated with starvation, and is partially reversed when normal weight is maintained.[5] Anorexia is also linked to reduced blood flow in the temporal lobes, although as this finding does not correlate with current weight, it is possible that it is a risk trait, rather than an effect of starvation.[6]

The most commonly used criteria for diagnosing anorexia are from the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR) and the World Health Organization's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD).

Although biological tests can aid the diagnosis of anorexia, the diagnosis is based on a combination of behaviour, reported beliefs and experiences, and physical characteristics of the patient. Anorexia is typically diagnosed by a clinical psychologist, psychiatrist or other suitably qualified clinician.

Refusal to maintain body weight at or above a minimally normal weight for age and height (e.g., weight loss leading to maintenance of body weight less than 85% of that expected; or failure to make expected weight gain during period of growth, leading to body weight less than 85% of that expected).
Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat.
Disturbance in the way in which one's body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current low body weight.
In postmenarcheal, premenopausal females (women who have had their first menstural period but have not yet gone through menopause), amenorrhea (the absence of at least three consecutive menstrual cycles).

Distorted body image
Poor insight
Self-evaluation largely, or even exclusively, in terms of their shape and weight
Pre-occupation or obsessive thoughts about food and weight
Perfectionism
OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder)

[edit] Emotional
Low self-esteem and self-efficacy
Clinical depression or chronically low mood
Intense fear about becoming overweight
Moodiness

[edit] Interpersonal and social
Poor or deteriorating school performance
Withdrawal from previous friendships and other peer-relationships
Deterioration in relationships with the family

[edit] Physiological
Endocrine disorder, leading to cessation of periods in girls (amenorrhoea)
Starvation symptoms, such as reduced metabolism, slow heart rate (bradycardia), hypotension, hypothermia and anemia.
Growth of lanugo hair over the body
Abnormalities of mineral and electrolyte levels in the body
Zinc deficiency
Often a reduction in white blood cell count
Reduced immune system function
Body mass index less than 17.5 in adults, or 85% of expected weight in children
Possibly with pallid complexion and sunken eyes
Creaking joints and bones
Collection of fluid in ankles during the day and around eyes during the night
Constipation
Very dry/chapped lips due to malnutrition
Poor circulation, resulting in common attacks of 'pins and needles' and purple extremities
In cases of extreme weight loss, there can be nerve deterioration, leading to difficulty in moving the feet
headaches, due to malnutrition

[edit] Behavioural
Excessive exercise, food restriction
Fainting
Secretive about eating or exercise behaviour

Family and twin studies have suggested that genetic factors contribute to about 50% of the variance for the development of an eating disorder[8] and that anorexia shares a genetic risk with clinical depression.[9] This evidence suggests that genes influencing both eating regulation, and personality and emotion, may be important contributing factors.

Several rodent models of anorexia have been developed which largely involve subjecting the animals to various environmental stressors or using gene knockout mice to test hypotheses about the effects of certain genes on related behaviour.[10] These models have suggested that the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis may be a contributory factor, although the models have been criticised as food is being limited by the experimenter and not the animal, and these models cannot take into account the complex cultural factors known to affect the development of anorexia nervosa.

There are strong correlation (but not proven causation) between the neurotransmitter serotonin and various psychological symptom such as mood, sleep, emesis (vomiting), sexuality and appetite. A recent review of the scientific literature has suggested that anorexia is linked to a disturbed serotonin system,[11] particularly to high levels at areas in the brain with the 5HT1A receptor - a system particularly linked to anxiety, mood and impulse control. Starvation has been hypothesised to be a response to these effects, as it is known to lower tryptophan and steroid hormone metabolism, which, in turn, might reduce serotonin levels at these critical sites and, hence, ward off anxiety. In contrast, studies of the 5HT2A serotonin receptor (linked to regulation of feeding, mood, and anxiety), suggest that serotonin activity is decreased at these sites. One difficulty with this work, however, is that it is sometimes difficult to separate cause and effect, in that these disturbances to brain neurochemistry may be as much the result of starvation, than continuously existing traits that might predispose someone to develop anorexia. There is evidence, however, that both personality characteristics (such as anxiety and perfectionism) and disturbances to the serotonin system are still apparent after patients have recovered from anorexia,[12] suggesting that these disturbances are likely to be causal risk factors.

Recent studies also suggest anorexia may be linked to an autoimmune response to melanocortin peptides which influence appetite and stress responses.[13]


Possible self-harm, substance abuse or suicide attempts

There has been a significant amount of work into psychological factors that suggests how biases in thinking and perception help maintain or contribute to the risk of developing anorexia.

Anorexic eating behaviour is thought to originate from feelings of fatness and unattractiveness[14] and is maintained by various cognitive biases that alter how the affected individual evaluates and thinks about their body, food and eating.

One of the most well-known findings is that people with anorexia tend to over-estimate the size or fatness of their own bodies. A recent review of research in this area suggests that this is not a perceptual problem, but one of how the perceptual information is evaluated by the affected person.[15] Recent research suggests people with anorexia may lack a type of overconfidence bias in which the majority of people feel themselves more attractive than others would rate them. In contrast, people with anorexia seem to more accurately judge their own attractiveness compared to unaffected people, meaning that they potentially lack this self-esteem boosting bias.[16]

People with anorexia have been found to have certain personality traits that are thought to predispose them to develop eating disorders. High levels of obsessionality (being subject to intrusive thoughts about food and weight-related issues), restraint (being able to fight temptation), and clinical levels of perfectionism (the pathological pursuit of personal high-standards and the need for control) have been cited as commonly reported factors in research studies.[17]

It is often the case that other psychological difficulties and mental illnesses exist alongside anorexia nervosa in the sufferer. Clinical depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, substance abuse and personality disorder are the most likely conditions to be comorbid with anorexia, and high-levels of anxiety and depression are likely to be present regardless of whether they fulfill diagnostic criteria for a specific syndrome.[18]

Other studies have suggested that there are some attention and memory biases that may maintain anorexia.[20] Attentional biases seem to focus particularly on body and body-shape related concepts, making them more salient for those affected by the condition, and some limited studies have found that those with anorexia may be more likely to recall related material than unrelated material.


Fairburn and colleagues psychological model of anorexiaAlthough there has been quite a lot of research into psychological factors, there are relatively few theories which attempt to explain the condition as a whole.

Fairburn and colleagues have created a 'transdiagnostic' model,[21] in which they aim to explain how anorexia, as well as related disorders such as bulimia nervosa and ED-NOS, are maintained. Their model is developed with psychological therapies, particularly cognitive behaviour therapy, in mind, and so suggests areas where clinicians could provide psychological treatment.

Their model is based on the idea that all major eating disorders (with the exception of obesity) share some core types of psychopathology which help maintain the eating disorder behaviour. This includes clinical perfectionism, chronic low self-esteem, mood intolerance (inability to cope appropriately with certain emotional states) and interpersonal difficulties

Now there's an indepth report on ED's...if anyone cares to argue about this article feel free to once again call ED's 'ridiculous...attention hogging...feel free to ridicule them and don't call this a real disease feel free to read this and look at this article...other facts..it's not just about not eating...it is so much more then that...

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Aw, let's not bother poor little baby with problems outside his perfect widdle bubble! Here, have a beer, honey. Might I hail you a massage therapist and a fleet of servants? Cheer up, little fellow!

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Aw, self-entitled white men with perfect lives are just the cutest!

You are most certaintly correct orangesodacrush...in Mathews world and the other guys world theirs is perfect: In their world women flock to them and men are all coldness spinless idiots...in their world they are looked upon as gods...served and bowed down too...in their world no one cares about issues except their own...suffering such as abuse; disease; drugs; homelessness; and other issues are laughed at; spit upon; ridiculed; etc...in their world being a cold, heartless ba*tard is smiled upon...caring is not...in their world caring about yourself and only yourself is the best thing you can do...why bother with sick, suffering people...they don't affect their world...only their issues that affect their world... why bother with things that could eventually affect them? It would ruin their perfect careless little world...well Mathew and sonimhard...continue with your perfect little world with your servants and your conservative cloning ways...cause one day karma will hit you in the butt hard...

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Ah, it's hard being a silly flibbertigibbet with things to worry about like emotions and feelings and whatnot, isn't it? I sure do find it hard to deal with! Oh, if only I could exist as a cheerful, white, male autonomous unit, with no need to interact with others! I too could ride around in my giant SUV and run over small children and dogs while thinking only of steak and blowjobs! It sure would be easy... but it would be fruitless, cold, and ultimately the loneliest and most unrewarding existence I could imagine, and I wouldn't wish that sort of hopelessness on anyone. For all of my failings and hurts, I have learned what it is to rise against those challenges and still find a happy life. I imagine charmed fellows like Matthew and sonimhard, once finding themselves in a the grips of a true problem, will sink like stones in the marsh. I can only hope, in that case, that someone will be willing to help them out.

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Honey, I suggest you take your own advice on growing up.

And if messageboards are a complete disconnect from real-life and reality for you... then I do wonder what you're like in real life.

Ta-ta, it's been fun. I have a "real life" to return to... in which I maintain the same integrity and sense of humour as I do online.

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I'm not disappointed, I fully expected you to have the totally tip-top life that comes with being so self-assured. I'm glad you have friends and family for support - be sure to tell them all of your feelings about girls with eating disorders, you'll find nothing but a chorus of agreement, I'm certain!

Goodnight, anonymous, happy white male. May you never know a psychological disorder and your family be untouched by the abuse that so often foreshadows any kind of eating disorder.

P.S.: I am curious to know what you define as a real problem - no, seriously, I am curious. I'll check in the morning to see what you think.

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Mathews...sonimhard...what do you look as an issue? If it isn't ED; abuse; drug use; etc...what do you look as an issue? What affects you're perfect little carefree world? And no...ED victims or ED sympathizers are not bitter people...they are REAL people with REAL issues..unlike you two..WHY DOES SOMEONE HAVING AN EATING DISORDER AFFECT YOU GUYS SO MUCH? WHY DOES IT MAKE YOU ANGRY? Why do you need to bash people who obviously have depression issues...DEPRESSION IS A PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THE BRAIN...IT IS A REAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE TREATED BY MEDICATION...IT IS A REAL DISEASE...OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THIS WILL MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR GUYS MIND BUT YOU TWO ARE COLD HEART...CARELESS..CONFORMING BOZOS WHO NEED TO BASH PEOPLE ON HERE FOR YOUR JOLLIES...I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT! THERE IS TOO MUCH HATE IN THIS WORLD FOR YOU TWO TO ADD TO IT

beatlesfan, just hit the "ignore user" button. it works wonders.

one of my favorite radio talk show hosts used to have a saying: you can't fix stupid. that applies here. no amount of arguing or typing in all caps will change the way these morons think about the subject. so stop trying. instead, focus your energies on something that will help. or at least focus on being happy yourself.

again, ignore. just do it.

Yes! It DOES work wonders! I've had these mo'fo's on ignore and wow, let's just say the ignore button is a beautiful thing!!!

beatlesfan did you get my PM? Yeah like greeneco78 says...just put them on ignore...then you won't have to see what these a--holes write! The more people that put these d!ck heads on ignore, the more bored and unsatisfied they will become...because they WANT us to respond to them, to get angry and defensive...that's what gets them off...but if we all ignore them then MAYBE, just maybe they will go away! And even if they don't, then we won't be able to see what they say and then everyone will be happier! =)


Ciao,

Peace & Love,

Jen

*~*MoOdY JeNnY*~*

I put them on ignore myself. I hope one day insensitive clods like those two get the hint that having emotions and sensitivity is not a wimpy thing. We're all gonna join in and get these guys on ignore permanently. Oh thanks Jen for the PM...hopefully you're suggestion works

We're all gonna join in and get these guys on ignore permanently.

Oh thanks Jen for the PM...hopefully you're suggestion works

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No, my dear...

Not simply because he doesn't agree with everyone's views, because he's a vile, insensitive, ignorant, pathetic little troll who gets off on unfairly judging and ridiculing women with eating disorders when he KNOWS nothing about eating disorders in the first place!

And it's not MY views...he's upset a lot more people far worse than me.

I don't give a rat's ass whether or not he agrees with us here or not it's the way he is representing himself and articulating his words in a hateful manner!

He is purposefully trying to upset the members of this board which is why he is being put on ignore.

And also, making light or fun of eating disorders, clearly personifying a strong resentful attitude towards women with eating disorders, (Which he can think what he wants too. But actually coming to a message board, where a lot of the posters on here I'm sure do or have suffered from eating disorders themselves to mock, taunt, ridicule and harrass them is just plain sick...)

So yes, Mathews is an idiot who needs to go back under his rock.

*~*MoOdY JeNnY*~*

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Jenny, you should have started off with "no ma'am". I'm not your dear.

"And it's not MY views...he's upset a lot more people far worse than me."
--- maybe so, but you were the one who made the "idiot/go back under a rock" statement, which prompted my question to you.

"So yes, Mathews is an idiot who needs to go back under his rock."
--- once again, why? He simply has a different opinion than you. Maybe you're the idiot and you need to go find your rock? After all, your opinion is different than his ... (please don't get all huffy, I'm not that serious)...I just think you're being a little harsh on the guy's thoughts.

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And here we have another person on here who..well..guess what I bet this girls part of his tribe of carefree, careless, suburban, SUV-van driving people who thinks the simple cure for an eating disorder is to TOUGHEN UP! or shove food down their throats...or any other suggestions one has made on here. I wish you people would wake up and realize that there is more to eating disorders then to shove food down their throat...or force feed them...or yell at them...or anything else. It is a disease of distorted body image and chemical imbalances that need real medication and real treatment! Unless you start suffering from depression or things like that then don't jump to conclusions...there is more to eating disorder then the underlying issue of them not eating...I should know...I suffered from anorexia, depression and I was a cutter...and don't dare jump to calling me weak cause I am not...I am well...a survivor and to blantaly call an ED victim a wimp or any other cruel name shows the true colors of yourself: You yourself are weak and need to pick on others to feel tough! That's my story and I'm *beep* sticking to it!

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Well there wouldn't be flaming if someone who shall not be named hadn't come on here and started degrading ED victims and the disorder itself...that's why there are flaming...people defend themselves like that only because the people who do have the disorder are being jumped at like they're circus freaks which we're not...it's called depression...a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes a person to act different...that's all it is..and it can lead to ED; cutting; alcoholism; drug abuse; only because people who suffer from depression want to FEEL something...when you have depression you don't feel anything except a numb feeling...and to feel something you turn to other things that aren't healthy...that's all that caused the flames...complete and utter disrespect for the people who are sick and need real help...I just wish it would stop

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No..what I meant by that is the constant arguing and the things like on here...this isn't high school or grade school...this is a message board and we're supposed to discuss things like civilized human beings instead of calling names (yes...guilty I am I know but I just have to vent) or putting people down or anything else of a negative nature...there's too much negativity in the world to keep it up on here...why should we act like grade school children when this is meant to be a discussion board

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Ultimately each IS person choosing to *beep* with their weight as a (choose one or more) 1)plea for attention/help 2)attempt at thinness/vanity issue 3)issue of themselves and their abilities and talents and such, and how those things fit in the world 4)immaturity--simple illogical childish immaturity.

I am in med school at present, having compoleted a degree already in biopsych and cognitive neuroscience.

The vast majority of girls with eating disorders are awful to be around. Hysterical, self obsessed, yet caring for others--thriving on drama and hysterics while denying that behavior--its pathetic. Only whenn you realiose no one care saabout your goddam plight do you have a chance to get over it. No one else gives a *beep* what you weigh. You aren't that special--there are no special expectaations nor are you a disappointment.

Well, they DO choose to either eat or not eat. And they do choose whether to purge themselves or not. Unlike carcinogenic tumors which are not really reliant on a person's individual choices (smokers excepted).

I've no desire to be brutal, but it's not hard to see why a large portion of the population is hesitant to extend their sympathy to anorexics and bullimics.

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in a lot of situations it starts out as a choice (likely for vanity) but morphs into a vicious cycle. For others though, it's not about a desire to look good but rather a fear of food or a way of control.