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Were they planning to make Marion one of the Yin Yang killers? *spoiler*


From the moment he showed up in the first Yin Yang episode, Shawn flippantly pegged him as the killer. He seemed adoring of the killer and his work to a creepy degree. He always seemed to be around, or NOT be around, at key moments. Everything about it screamed his involvement, even when Ally Sheady was caught in the end.

Second episode, his adoration is even more in play, to the point that Shawn legitimately starts to suspect him. When they go to the mental hospital to talk to Yang, there's a weird moment with Marion. Marion says he knows she wasn't the only one involved. She gets up and looks at him while asking "Do you, now?". He smiles. She pauses and thinks for a moment, and then agrees to help Shawn. There were no words spoken, but that was CLEARLY Marion saying "I'm playing a game with them and I'd like your blessings" and her agreeing. Later on, after Marion is supposedly killed, Shawn gets a call from Yin. Checking that moment again just now, there's no way on Earth that wasn't Jimmi Simpson trying to disguise his voice.

We never see the killer's face by the end of the episode, and I was certain Marion's "death" was just theatrics meant to throw them off, since Yin Yang was always very theatrical (particularly that time with the whole Hitchcock murder theme). Part three rolls around and NOPE! Marion is still dead. The killer is now Peter Weller, and she's Yang's father. Which just doesn't add up with EVERYTHING they hinted at and built up in the first two parts.

This is bugging me so much, and my fiance is sick of hearing me bitch about how they clearly changed direction at some point for unknown reasons. I can't find anything to really explain it either. Does anyone have any clue? Or am I just completely off base and really need to just let it go? It's not like I hated the finale, but it was just so much less interesting than the reveal of "Surprise! I faked my death, I was the real mastermind. And my mom over there, the one you call Yang, has been helping me since I was a teenager" that they were inevitably building towards.

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You mean Mary? I don't recall a Marion

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Jimmi Simpson's character. The supposed expert in serial killer psychology, with a particular expertise in the Yin Yang Killer. Maybe you just remember "Mary" cause Shawn probably called him that.

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His name was Mary, not Marion.

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I never got the feeling they changed it at the last moment or anything. To make Mary one of the killers would've been too obvious, as they pointed out themselves as Shawn was going through Mary's suspicious ways. The look he gave Yang while they visited her in lock up, I believe, was just him being giddy about having an up and close moment with a person and case he's been obsessed with and has dedicated his life to. He was, quite simply, just fanboying around haha...because it's Mary, and that's how the character is. I don't think there's too much more to read into it than that. I think Yang gave in at that moment because he was onto to her and he was smarter than she thought or that was the moment she realized she could maybe get back at her dad or come out on the "better" side of this thing. Either way, I never took it as a confirmation of his involvement, but another bread crumb to maybe make him stick out more. Mary was a red herring basically, until his death.

I guess we'll never know if they ever intended anything else unless they say so. They don't seem like the bunch to conceal a bit of information like that though, especially since it's been years since the story played out anyways. I don't think it was anything like that, but who knows!

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To make Mary one of the killers would've been too obvious

Exactly...I think the point was to kinda make us think it would be him but then make it obvious that would be too obvious, and to develop his character into something deeper.

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Well. I feel vindicated. There's an episode in season 6 where the guys team up with a bookstore owner who was big into true crime stories. He brings up the Yin Yang case. Guy remarks "Am I the only one who thought Marion was the killer?". I took that as a little acknowledgement to the fans who were less than pleased all the hints about Marion being involved were ignored. So at least it wasn't just me.

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It never felt like they changed the storyline to me. They definitely made Mary look guilty on purpose. But I always felt it was supposed to be an obvious red herring. If Mary was intended to be Yin at the end of the second episode, then there should have been some clue when Shawn saw him at the pier, like the ankle weights. But there wasn't any indication that Yin seemed familiar to Shawn.

While I certainly don't argue that Mary was an obvious likely suspect, it just doesn't feel that they changed directions. More that Mary was always going to be a red herring, and sometimes the obsessive creepy guy is just an obsessive creepy guy and not a murderer.

Unfortunately, I don't remember that exchange between Mary and Yang. But Mary has always been obsessed with Yang, and Yang's crazy, so that look could be anything.

Also, his name is Mary. It's not just Shawn who calls him that and everybody calls him that but his real name is Mary. He is credited as Mary.

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You may be right. That's why red herrings exist, after all.

And yeah, I know. I got it in my head from that little explanation of "my grandfather was Marion and my mother was Mary and I'm Mary" and never shook it, heh.

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I agree that he was always just suppose to be a red herring. Mary was an interesting character and I'm actually glad he wasn't part of the Yin Yang Killers.

I do like the nod Gus gave in the bookstore about thinking Mary was the killer. Gus also mentioned in another episode he isn't convinced "Lassie didn't shot that guy" (from Lassie Did a Bad, Bad Thing)

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