No Heroism?


Notice how he never saved anyone except out of self-interest. Why didn't he want to use his ability to help humanity? They only use their abilities to commit crimes and mayhem, at least from what the depiction shows.

Discuss. Serious answers only please. Thanks in advance.

''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''

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I think that's actually what I liked most about David. Not everyone is going to use their powers for good nor does everyone want to help people. David isn't evil but he's not the nicest person either.

David also came from a broken home and was on his own at a very young age. I think it made him a lot more selfish and/or self serving than the next guy.

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I think that's actually what I liked most about David. Not everyone is going to use their powers for good nor does everyone want to help people.




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You mean like Spiderman, Superman, Batman, ... ?

Good point.

''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''

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I never looked at it that way but yeah, having to take care of himself at such a young age could be a good explanation, watching out for #1 sorta becomes a habit.



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He even makes a reference to comics and superheroes, so he's certainly aware and has a blueprint for how to do it. I kind of prefer there being no reason for why he doesn't become a superhero though. As a comic fan it's almost a given in any movie that yeah, powers=responsibility, and it's really cool to see that totally subverted here.



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In that aspect this movie is similar to Chronicle, the are not trying to be superheroes......yet.

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And I suppose you volunteer, donate, or endanger your life in some way to help others? No? Then why would he?

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by typhoon-71340 - Thu Jul 2 2015 15:31 -
... you volunteer, donate, or endanger your life in some way to help others? ...
I feel sorry for you, if your view of humanity is as black as all that. Yes, I do contribute to society and to other people, even if it is at risk to myself.

Here's a suggestion: the next time you're passing someone on the street who needs a hand, stop and give some of your time to try and help them out. Be a part of the solution.

''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''

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Because then the movie would have been a cliche. Part of the reason why i liked this movie despite the many illogical decisions and bad acting was the the characters were flawed. They were not uncompromisingly virtuous. Heroism is not always rewarded and in David and Griffon's case it might have likely lead to their destruction if they were teleporting around active flood zones while news copters obtained incontrovertible evidence of their abilities.

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by Democracy_is_Intransitive - Fri Dec 18 2015 00:20 -
... Heroism is not always rewarded ...
Right. It shouldn't be always rewarded, since that is impossible. The highest form of hero is one who isn't ever rewarded. A true hero acts without expectation of reward.

I agree with the idea of a flawed protagonist, though. A movie that makes you feel like a better person, rather that one that has a negative effect on you, is an entirely different thing. This movie is making you into a nihilist. Read what you just wrote.

''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''

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Right. It shouldn't be always rewarded, since that is impossible. The highest form of hero is one who isn't ever rewarded. A true hero acts without expectation of reward.
In a world of moral ambiguity and flawed humans a Patch Adams level superhero would have likely acted beneficent and alerted NSA or some other agency and would have been tossed into a military installation and kept sedated and likely dissected.

The best way to think about the characters actions is to think about what sort of expectations they would have from institutions that suddenly orient toward them when they express their abilities. If i had this ability it would be exhilarating but simultaneously terrifying to know that suddenly people would like to carve my brain and body up to understand how that ability could be harnessed.

The individual you are desiring to see is not a realistic person except along extreme tail of altruistic expression - pathological altruism.

Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

This doesn't describe David or me, even Griffon forges a short term alliance with David. David has loyalties as does his mother. David's Loyalties are much more limited. David becomes much like Wikus Van De Merwe from District 9
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/?ref_=nv_sr_1
who is integrated into society and then suddenly, through exposure to the alien technology, physically mutates into an alien and for a short time his sphere of loyalties collapse around him, he cannot even trust anybody, even his step father. Even his wife could potentially lead the company down on him through her naivety.

David wasn’t a sociopath but I thought that he was, in many ways, a very sincere character living in an isolated world where he was insulated from consequences of his crimes. David is the apotheosis of Plato’s Ring of Gyges tale. Because of this David represents a sort of guilty pleasure fantasy of what it would be like if one could get away with certain things, if you could be everywhere at will. One could say Jumper is a commentary that with extreme power comes a *beep* load of abuse of society, it’s the inverse spiderman ethos. Watching this is like loading up Grand Theft Auto and shooting cops and running over pedestrians. You know it’s morally reprehensible and in the Kantian categorical imperative sense we know if everybody did it society would collapse but it’s simulated guilty pleasure and safe to express these things in media, in fact it might discharge negative social impulses.

Stick with Patch Adams man http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129290/?ref_=nv_sr_1, it’s supersaturated with glucose and almost gave me diabetes.

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I forgot to respond to this

A movie that makes you feel like a better person, rather that one that has a negative effect on you

Take for example a movie like Funny Games, this movie filled me with depression as well as a tremendous sense of injustice, that was the intent. Not all movies should make one feel good. I think that this movie demonstrates that how one reacts to a movie and what they take away from it is different. The movie did not have a negative effect on me from my perspective but you might argue that it did based on the things you value.

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by Democracy_is_Intransitive - Wed Dec 23 2015 19:07 -
... for example a movie like Funny Games, this movie filled me with depression ...
Thanks, for the insightful responses. By the way, I hate Robin Williams. That's the best you can come up with?

''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''

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I loved this about the film actually. Its unique in that sense. And a good outlook at how many people with this power or powers in general probably wouldn't go out of their way to help humanity to the extent that it could possibly expose their powers. Superhumans like this actually make for pretty cool 3 dimensional characters and leave a ton of room for character development.

I watched it forever ago now though, he didn't help any other people by the end of it?

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I liked that he watched a situation on TV where there were people stranded in flood water where the News anchor says that no one can get to them. Clearly he could have but he has no desires to be a hero.

Trying is the first step towards failure
-homer simpson

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While he does become something more akin to an anti-hero, there's no question that he starts off quite literally as a super-villain. "Using teleportation powers to rob banks" is the exact same thing done by a regular opponent of Daredevil and Spiderman. Honestly, it's not even just the bank robbing. Clearly, he knows how to surf, but he just steals new equipment every time he wants to surf?

Nobody HAS to be a self-sacrificing hero, but making things worse for others is actually not okay... which shouldn't be something someone else has to point out.

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