and they come with naughty parents to match!
they aren't misunderstood or sad or angry they are just spoiled and have *beep* people for parents. :(
sorry, it just kind of irked me that someone actually believed that no children were bad.
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well your just confirming what fred was saying? cause they are raised terrible by bad parents or no parents? aint the kids fault?? ya your right! its mostly bad parents (most of time?) so thats what he was sayin, dont blame the kids cause they are naughty? it is the enviroment and bad life they were raised in, really not their fault? pretty much what he was saying? and you just pretty much confirmed it also?
sharewell, yeah i know that no kids are bad on their own but that doesn't make them good kids. fred made a terrible generalization.
im talking about the kids that have bad PEOPLE for parents...they're not exactly "bad parents" to their kid but when they have hateful beliefs, and rotten attitudes it rubs off on their children thus making the children hateful and rotten.
but just because no kids are born bad doesn't mean they deserve to be on the "nice list", if you will.
Well, if we're supposed to blame the parents--that just pushes back the question: Why is it the parents' fault? The blame must lie with THEIR parents, then, right? Oh, but then we have to go back a further generation, and another, and another--and so on.
I agree that some kids' behaviour isn't entirely attributable to themselves. But at some point in life every individual has to take ownership of their attitude and their beliefs and their behaviours.
Yeah, some people are bad from the start. Sorry that I feel this way, but I can't help that some kids just enjoy being monstrous, and their parents are not always awful; sometimes they are just as baffled, or more, as the rest of us, as to where all this malice came from in a little person...
Who knows? Luckily these types are not the majority.
It's a good question. I mean every super bad person was once a kid right? So, was Charles Manson a naughty kid or a nice one? Sure everyone knows his unfortunate childhood, but it's impossible to know if this guy wouldn't be a monster if he was raised by a middle class folks. There must be something in each person which only comes from within, independent of environment or parenting.
share"Santa, little Charlie Manson has been carving swastikas into the heads of neighborhood dogs and cats with a rusty pen knife. . . ."
"Oh, what the heck. Send him a new pen knife. He'll straighten out some day."
(And yes, I know Manson was "Maddox" when he was a kid.)
yes i believe everyone at some point, makes a choice.
sharei think generally 'bad' adults are bad because of their childhood. and its not always because the parents are 'bad' people, but like you see super nanny shows and the kids behave badly because their parents just dont know how to handle them.
we are who we are becaue of our childhood.
OP, when did you last see a kids movie that dealt in brutal honesty? Think about it for a moment. Exactly...
sharemechajutaro wrote:
"Yeah, some people are bad from the start."
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I have never seen one infant who was bad so I think that "bad" is a learned trait. Also, some children like to push the limit as much as possible to see where the boundaries lie.
Human behavior is very strange. Some people who have everything going for them, given the best conditions, turn out to be not very good people and some people who have nothing going for them, kicked at almost every turn, turn out good.
It would be interesting if it were possible to take a child who is considered "bad," turn back the hands of time to when it was an infant, give him to different people/different circumstances and see if the child turns out "good." I'm betting it does.
Actually psychopaths are born that way so there are psychopathic infants. So imho there are inherently bad/naughty infants even if they can't yet kill, torture or maim... yet. Of course that only counts for 1% of the population, lucky for us.
shareThe Kevin Spacey character proposed that, every time Santa empties a bag of toys, he snatch a naughty kid, tie him up in the sack, and on the trip home drop the naughty kids from 30,000 feet into the Bering Sea. The Board voted against it.
Mrs. Claus was surprsingly sympathetic to the idea, however.
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i believe everyone at some point, makes a choice.
shareI'm pretty sure Damian from the Omen was a naughty kid. Heck, throw in Michael Myers too.
"Never rub another man's rhubarb"
Truly naughty kids are like serial killers and a kid that drowns his sister in the backyard pool. Kids that you see in the movies like The Good Son, The Omen, Halloween. It's not like many of these people actually exist in real life.
But a kid shouldn't be labeled "naughty" just because they do a couple of things wrong. It's all a learning experience and unless they're out physically harming people and a true threat to society then it's not right to label them naughty kids.
Kids get threatened that they will get coal if they're naughty, but they aren't naughty kids. They're good kids. No one is perfect and kids make mistakes and do the wrong thing sometimes.
They still shouldn't be labeled Naughty, instead of "Nice", just because they made more mistakes. Unless they're truly evil and a serial killer or cold hearted killer.
I absolutely loved this scene. It is about the best I've ever seen and it meant a lot to me.
It's supposed to be a heartwarming Christmas movie for crying out loud.
There are bad kids of course.
But I could as easily start a post out with:
"But... There IS no Santa". Discuss.
Exactly! Thank you!
If anything, I thought it was nice to finally see a Christmas movie that wasn't entirely black and white anyway.
That there isn't such an easily definable thing as just "good" or just "naughty".
I don't think it is a matter of kids doing naughty things, or kids being naughty from time to time. It was that there are no kids that are so naughty they don't deserve at least something for Christmas.
It also helped Santa understand that there might be a reason the kid was acting naughty and he shouldn't judge them so quickly without understanding them better.
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