Fantastic 4 reboot? Why? - 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) Discussion

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[–] thefilmguy7 15 years ago

Actually these movies are very close to the 60's Stan Lee FF in tone. I know they screw with some origins and characters but the tone is very much there. The comics used to be light and have a lot of humor, more so than presently anyways. They also had a great cast involved. Maybe the problem is that the 60's tone is just too out of date for modern audiences.

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[–] Boricanator 15 years ago

I disagree, if there is a franchise that definitely needs rebooting it is this one.

The way they messed up Galactus alone is enough to warrant a reboot.

From the comics and the cartoons, I do understand that the Fantastic Four were always open about their superhero identities. However, from those, they were not these big celebrities getting all this public attention.

They led generally normal lives where they were mostly focused on solving the problem at hand and they simply took themselves more seriously than the jokers we saw in the movie.

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[–] Selene_07 15 years ago

I don' think there should be a FF reboot either. I really enjoyed the films, plus it's too early IMO.

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[–] sweetre15 15 years ago

Not too early at all,we haven't seen an FF film since 2007 by the time this one comes out people will forget the other ones if it's good. FF deserves better than these garbage movies no doubt.

"Tell me something, my friend.You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? " Batman '89

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[–] TheDarkPhoenix85 15 years ago

Not too early at all,we haven't seen an FF film since 2007 by the time this one comes out people will forget the other ones if it's good.

Thank You.

I understand that some people don't like the idea of a reboot, but I really wish people would stop saying that, "it's waaayyy too early"" for one to be made when the reboot will be released 6 years after Rise of the Silver Surfer's theatrical release.

Even though the films weren't complete garbage, they do deserve a second chance. I, however, am very optimistic about the whole idea. I am really looking foward to a fresh new start, even though I have to wait 3 more years.

These film did not meet the expectations of either the audience and its distributor. I would only hope that Fox do it right this time with the best of intentions, and not because they don't want to sell back the rights to Marvel Enterprises. Unfortunately, the latter is the most of my worries.

I'll shove that bat up your ass and turn you into a popsickle

-Ajax The Warriors (1979)

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[–] TheDarkPhoenix85 15 years ago

But, Silver Surfer movie isn't until 2012. This is giving me the impressions that the SS's movie will be a setup for the F4 reboot.

That's just a theory.

I'll shove that bat up your ass and turn you into a popsickle

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[–] gandalas 15 years ago

My god, just finished watching this movie for the first time, and I wish I could have those 2 hours of my life back...

Why do movie studios insist on messing with the comic's original stories and just making up whatever they feel like? If they could not afford to do galactus right, then why even put him in the movie at all?

Just like they messed up deadpool in the wolverine movie...I mean, hey. These comics have been telling stories for almost 100 years now. If it ain't broke, then why try to make it better? You are just going to piss off the hardcore fan base in favor of the general public who may not even like the movie anyway...

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[–] TheDarkPhoenix85 15 years ago

So, are you down with the reboot? It may be a compensation for those 2 hours you've lost.

I'll shove that bat up your ass and turn you into a popsickle

-Ajax The Warriors (1979)

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[–] pmathewson 15 years ago

I'm fine with a reboot. Sadly, these movies dragged the FF and Silver Surfer (a personal favorite) through the mud. I'm viewing this as a "well, it can't get any worse" situation. In reality, of course the reboot could be worse but at this point I'm all for rolling the dice on the off-chance that it turns out fantastic.

Personally, I hope that the Silver Surfer movie is also treated as a reboot (in the sense that it ignores the existence of these films). I've said it before and I'll say it again: Silver Surfer's origin is interesting and compelling. It deserves to be done better.

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[–] The-Kurgan 15 years ago

I think the idea of a reboot is ridiculous, regardless of the time (which I happen to agree is waaaay too soon, anyway, and I don't give a good GD if that somehow offends anyone's overly dainty sensibilities). These movies were actually pretty good, and I'd like to see them continue.

Do they take liberties with the comic material? Sure. You bet. And many times, even most of the time, that ends up being a major mistake that ruins a film. However, the liberties taken with FF so far have been understandable and, in my opinion, minor. Honestly, I'd really rather have a massive energy cloud representing Galactus than a thousand foot tall, square-jawed dude in a silly purple tunic floating in space. You wanna see an audience crack up and laugh their guts out during a supposedly "deadly serious" scene, you just try that concept on for size.

There are just some things that don't translate from a four-color page to the real world as depicted on-screen without either looking idiotic or simply making no sense. Costumes are a good example. In most cases, when you try to make the costume look exactly like the comic, the actors involved look moronic, and can't be taken seriously. So what do they do? They make an outfit that's functional and doesn't look like a drag queen on prom night and it usually works. Same goes for origin stories. Many "superhero" origins are dumb as hell.

I'm particularly fond of an early episode of Family Guy that made fun of this, where the family gets doused in radioactive sludge and gets superpowers. Mayor West, trying to get powers, too, rushes out and wallows in a puddle of radioactive waste. In the next scene he's lying in a hospital with radiation poisoning and the doctor looking at him saying, "What were you thinking?"

It's not a bad thing when a modern movie adds a little something to make the old, silly origin more believable. You got caught in a nuclear explosion? Well maybe this little injection of special serum you got last week from a secret government lab is why the blast didn't kill you and you instead ended up with superpowers! You get the idea.

Not all change is bad, especially if it makes sense (nobody complained about Spidey's web-shooters being dropped for the movies), but changing out all the actors and rebooting things every ten minutes isn't necessary. Heh, it's going to be especially problematic for Marvel and the movie makes once they've got their on-screen "Marvel Universe" all ramped up after Avengers hits the screen. Not gonna make a lot of sense if they start rebooting stuff in a shared universe of films.

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[–] Magic_313 15 years ago

When you people say reboot, does that mean yet another origins movie? In that case... NO REBOOTS!
Otherwise, they can do whatever they want, as long as I'm entertained.

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[–] superturbo4 15 years ago

My god, just finished watching this movie for the first time, and I wish I could have those 2 hours of my life back...

Why do movie studios insist on messing with the comic's original stories and just making up whatever they feel like? If they could not afford to do galactus right, then why even put him in the movie at all?

Galactus??! I've alway felt the bigger crime here was that Dr Doom was messed up also. Businessman Doom? please. True Galactus was messed up and screwed over, but if there was a first film then Doom was screwed up first before hand!

Tim Story was wrong for the material nuff said, and while it is getting reboot already like alot thats on Marvel entertainment's movie plate like; Spider-Man, X-Men (First Class) and others i reckon Fantastic Four should be on that plate too for many reasons. Like many, i really miss that 2006 animated series which only had like 26 episodes. 13 episodes a season or so. Cos they managed to Do FF properly and it was fresh and exciting and would've led to many more story re-iterations from previous FF toons. alas it wasn't picked up for a third season. And the films series suffered around the same time. Sure hollywood make these big blockbuster films upon one summer, but who actually remembers them anyhow a few years down the road? The DC movies became classics, Christopher Reeve's first 2 Superman movies, Tim Burton's Batman with Michael Keaton, Chris Nolan's Batman movies with Christian Bale, Watchmen etc.

Marvel's got the X-Men films by Bryan Singer, Blade by Stephen Norrington and its sequel by Guillermo del Toro (Blade 2), Spider-Man by Sam Raimi and recently Iron-Man films by Jon Favreau added to the mix. Everything else out of marvel either fails badly at the box office or the third act films mis-fired and bombed cos they were terrible anyhow going in. This is the trouble with Marvel films, the DC ones aren't always prefect themselves too, but i've often said Marvel keeps trucking their films out like this and they'll overstuff the genre with too many wannabe superhero franchises they are just spawned off cos they want a quick hit without any substance in them.

Tim Story FF felt like it wasn't given any serious expectations, thus they allowed for him to make all those unnecessary changes to the title with FF name all over it. Fantastic Four like Superman, doesn't really need to be dark to get over with its audience and fans. But it does require that it be done correctly in order to work onscreen however.

Reboot the FF films and then we'll see!

ST4

P.S. Michael Chiklis as Ben Grimm/The Thing was the best thing about this FF series of films. But even a reboot would require a new Ben Grimm unfortunately. This isn't the James Bond series with 'M' (Dame Judy Dench) being the boss of different actors playing the 007 role in their movie series (Brosnan, Craig etc?). You flat out need a complete reboot here.

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[–] madbhere 15 years ago

The FF movies weren't the best but then again FF weren't the best comics either. They were only interesting when it involved other superheros such as Spiderman or the Hulk.

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[–] Norse_Sage 15 years ago

Tim Story was wrong for the material nuff said, and while it is getting reboot already like alot thats on Marvel entertainment's movie plate like; Spider-Man, X-Men (First Class) and others i reckon Fantastic Four should be on that plate too for many reasons. Like many, i really miss that 2006 animated series which only had like 26 episodes. 13 episodes a season or so. Cos they managed to Do FF properly and it was fresh and exciting and would've led to many more story re-iterations from previous FF toons. alas it wasn't picked up for a third season. And the films series suffered around the same time. Sure hollywood make these big blockbuster films upon one summer, but who actually remembers them anyhow a few years down the road? The DC movies became classics, Christopher Reeve's first 2 Superman movies, Tim Burton's Batman with Michael Keaton, Chris Nolan's Batman movies with Christian Bale, Watchmen etc.

Marvel's got the X-Men films by Bryan Singer, Blade by Stephen Norrington and its sequel by Guillermo del Toro (Blade 2), Spider-Man by Sam Raimi and recently Iron-Man films by Jon Favreau added to the mix. Everything else out of marvel either fails badly at the box office or the third act films mis-fired and bombed cos they were terrible anyhow going in. This is the trouble with Marvel films, the DC ones aren't always prefect themselves too, but i've often said Marvel keeps trucking their films out like this and they'll overstuff the genre with too many wannabe superhero franchises they are just spawned off cos they want a quick hit without any substance in them.

Dude, do not mistake a Marvel movie for a movie by another studio which happeneds to be based on a licensed Marvel characther.

Fantastic Four, X-men and Daredavel are NOT Marvel movies.
They are FOX STUDIOS movies based on Marvel characthers.
Marvel has ZERO influence on this movies beyond what Fox allows them to have.
Turning Galactus into a cloud, Doom into a business, and all the other crap decisions in all of the above movies were Fox decisons, not Marvel.

Spider-man and Ghost Rider are NOT Marvel movies.
They are SONY movies based on Marvel characthers.
But Marvel has more influence here than they do in the Fox movies.

The only pure MARVEL movies released to date are
IRON MAN, IRON MAN 2 and THE INCREDIBLE HULK.
The upcoming movies on Marvel's plate are Thor, Captain America, The Avengers and Doctor Strange. That's it for the time being.

X-men First Class, Wolverine 2 and the FF and DD reboots are on FOX STUDIOS plate, not Mravels.
Ditto the Spider-man and Ghost Rider reboots, these are all Sony, not Marvel.

The new X-men, Daredevil and FF movies will all be crap. Count on it.
Fox hates the source material, and us fans. They will never make an X-men or FF movie fans will enjoy.

Hold Brillan!

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[–] Darwinskid 15 years ago

Becuase Fox doesn't want to loose the rights, so they're rebooting it so the rights be kept. Simple logic. Best thing you can do is NOT pay to see it when it gets made, though one can hope it sincerely does not.

"More human than human here!"

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