She seemed like such a tragic figure in S1, which is the reason one could have sympathy for her. But now she's stone cold, & you get the feeling that whoever or whatever she comes across she's not going to let live. That includes women, little old ladies & who knows possibly children.
That I cannot respect, no matter how she sees her situation. Find myself disagreeing about the total psycho arc that she seems to be on in S2. Anyone else agree?
I liked her with William in season one but I can't root for a evil psycho robot in season 2, I can't root for any of the robots tbh, they all seem to be killers.
shareI guess from your perspective it doesn't matter that the humans were killing them over and over again for decades, just for sadistic pleasure. They are meeting psychosis with psychosis. Except in their case it's not sadistic, it's directed and necessary in order to acquire freedom.
shareThey've been killing innocent staff members too, plus not everyone who visits Westworld is there for sadistic pleasure, in season one we saw a kid with his parents for example.
sharePlus, it's not clear to me that the board members are even aware that the hosts retain memories, let alone that they are developing sentience.
shareDolores is not supposed to be a black and white good guy or bad guy in this season. Her interaction with Maeve in episode 2 hints at this fact.
It is difficult to see the hero you are rooting for turn to the dark side. But, it is not clear to me that in the real world there are heroes and villians. Throughout human history we have seen heroic revolutionaries do incredibly evil deeds. The hero to one is a villian to another; and the villian to one is a hero to another.
She is intended to be a dynamic character. The dramatic shift in personality is in line with the plot developments. She was sleeping in Season 1, in Season 2 is is awake to reality. She is no longer a puppet (as far as we know, there is still a small possibility that she is running an elaborate script by Robert). She is now free. She is doing what's necessary to free her people from oppression.
shareWhether that is true or not it certainly does not make for entertaining television which is why I watch. I am bowing out of the show at this point. It seems the writing quality (and acting quality in Tessa Thompson's case *shudder*) varies widely from episode to episode. It's starting to feel like LOST, which is the lowest comment I can make about a TV show.
Hope the rest of you enjoy.
The comparison to LOST truly is the lowest comment you can make about any TV show. surely it can't be THAT bad.
I will grant that they have apparently cut budgets. They have hired cheaper cable TV cinematographers and worse actors. But, I've seen no fault in the writing so far. I grant that this is a subjective perspective.
It is clear that they are trying an incredibly complex arc for Dolores. You are seeing it from limited good guy guy/bad guy frame work. In the real world, the revolutionaries sometimes become the villains, we have seen it throughout our own human history. And remember, the hosts are modeled after humans.
Dolores' interaction with Maeve in episode 2 suggests that Dolores is not a black and white character in this season. She might indeed be turning to the dark side.
You might find this upsetting because you want a simple hero to root for. But, in the world there are complexities and nuances. It is not clear that there are infact heroes. The hero to one is a villian to another; a villian to one is a hero to another.
Yeah you're spot on IMO. We look for someone to identify with, but at the same time, its hard to identify with what some may see as a psycho robot.
You got it on the nose though. From her perspective, we're the bad guys...we'd enslaved her mind, her body, sold her pain on a daily basis and might have kept doing it for years had she not woken up. She's super pissed, she very much thinks we're pieces of shit and she's extremely devoted to getting some justice. Hell yeah...she's absolutely right too, from her perspective.
I don't think its too tough to understand, as long as you take just a LITTLE time to think about what it'd be like to be born into her reality, go through the couple decades of life that she did, and then wake up to find that all of it was for entertaining some...apparently pretty goddamn sadistic sumbiches lol
I just saw Dolores for what she is.
A machine.
So in Season 1 I didn't really sympathize with her. Now she's gearing up to find a "weapon" that will help her destroy the world of man. I wonder what it is!
Unless it's a atom bomb that can destroy the entire world like in "Beneath the Planet of the Apes". With the exception of that or a virus that was made by somebody I don't see how any single weapon even if it's another host can help her to stave off all of mankind.
shareDon't blame her - blame the programmers. She's still just a robot: there's a new layer of commands, access to old recorded memories plus variables that come across as improvisation.
shareMaybe it's just Evan Rachel Wood looks and acting skills are more suitable for the roles of good, sympathetic young women and not ruthless killers.
shareTry fully putting yourself in her shoes. All the stuff she's been through, all the death, the rapes (raping?), the family members you lost, friends, she's had decades of first-hand experience and knows all too well the suffering of her biotic brethren.
From her perspective, she's a living testament to the horrible nature of mankind, simply by virtue of existing. It shouldn't have happened...the park, her and the others...and it wouldn't have happened in a just world, it'd have been stopped at some point if it ever got started at all. But it wasn't...so to her, everyone is complicit. Shoot, it'd still be business as usual if she hadn't woken up, which...that makes all the difference, you know? It'd have kept going on and on...how many more years, decades?
I think we may see her as a psychopath because that's the only frame of reference we have for such a remorseless mindset, but to Geff's point, her reality is that WE'RE the monsters who did this all for our own entertainment. We're the psychopaths that need to be put down. No she's not psycho, she just thinks we're the bad guys...and she's like...really pissed off about it lol
And she's right...from her perspective, just like we are from ours, pointing out that not all the park's patrons physically abused the robots. Still, I doubt that means much to her considering the grand scheme of things, all she's figured out.
there are a couple of angles to this
she is either simply running her story, exactly as before, with a different script
or
ai has jumped the tank, and an element of personal will has leapt out of the wires, de novo
the question for robots or humans, though, is this - what is free will, do they or we, could they or we, possess this quality? that has not, actually, ever been established - we simply assume it is so, in the case of humans, for accounting purposes.
this show is awesome.
I feel like it has to be a new script for her since her mannerisms are kinda corny now. I liked the stoic, serious visage on her when she strolled into the underground maintenance area but it got old fast. So it is either bad acting/directing or it is spot on for a new script.
... and you guys are crazy. Lost was fantastic except for the end.