a clip!!


i couldn't find any sort of trailer for some reason but came across this clip which i uploaded, check it out: (lemme know if it is a dead link)
http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s134/tosagent/?action=view&current=vmt-skiss-xvid-sample.flv


also according to amazon.com the dvd is coming out on october 9, 2007.
http://www.amazon.com/Shanghai-Kiss-Ws-Leung/dp/B000UR9QTO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5796991-6737513?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1189483386&sr=8-1

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Trailer's here, dude.

http://www.videodetective.com/titledetails.aspx?publishedid=82679&customerid=63482

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thanks, finally a normal asian guy lol, i just hope it doesn't completely bomb just because the lead isn't a martial arts master.

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Wow, you're clearly too dumb to understand this film.

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I am not emotionally involved because I want to see Asians in a non-caricature role. While that would be nice, I'm not Asian so I'm don't have an undying need to see it happen. This is a great film, Asian or not, and judging from the response of the message boards, user comments, ratings, more people agree with me than with you.

I didn't think the lead was that likable, but I deeply empathized with him and that's what makes a good film. I recognized a lot of him in myself. The director brings up a good point with "As Good As It Gets". Jack was a total *beep* in that film, I'm sure he wasn't likable, but it didn't make the film any less powerful. It's not sympathy an audience should be feeling but empathy. I like that his behavior is not explain through expository dialogue, although, for some people, it may make his motivations less clear.

My love for film ranges from European, Asian, American, and Australian. I've seen every single Kurosawa film. Zhang Yimou used to be great but his recent blockbusters are horrible. Seen every Kim Ki-duk movie. Watched Ozu's Tokyo Story. Watched every Miyazaki and Kon Satoshi film. I don't know the other directors you've mentioned but you obviously love Asian films, which is great, although I don't think this film should be compared with Asian films, because the filmmaker is obviously an American, no matter what his ethnicity is, and his point of view is distinctly American. It should be compared to other American indie films like Garden State, Squid and Whale, etc.

Maybe your disappointment is that, you were expecting an Asian film, and your tastes are geared towards Asian cinema. The film is confronts so many issues, some very subtlety, some which you may miss if you're not a 2nd generation immigrant (My parents came from Russia). It's more complex than you think. Give it another watch.




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I am Asian American so I will comment from that point of view. It's not that we want to see Asians in a non-caricature lead, we want to see ASIAN-AMERICANS. We can't really identify with Jackie Chan or Jet Li, because they grew up in a much different society and have different points of view. When Asian-Americans see Rush Hour, they still identity more with Chris Tucker (an American) and laugh at Jackie Chan through Tucker's eyes.

The problem is, you mention all these great filmmakers and say: This is REAL Asian talent, without realizing that an Asian American film is completely different, and Asians shouldn't be lumped in with Asian-Americans. An Asian American is a minority in America and also a minority in Asia, and we don't really feel accepted by either, and this film gets that so well.

This is, hands-down, the best Asian American film made. It's unfair to compare powerful Asian directors to this film. Zhang Yimou is so much powerful, he can hire the best actors in China, the best writers, the best crew. To produce any Asian American film is a struggle from beginning to end. I'm amazed that anything good comes out of this struggle. The fact that Asian American films still exist is a testament to the commitment and passion of these filmmakers.

I attend lots of Asian American film festivals and 99% of these films don't see the light of day. Sure, there's Better Luck Tomorrow but for every one of those, there are hundreds every year you don't hear about.

Is this film as good as the best of the Kurosawa? No, of course not. But that's like comparing Adrienne Shelley (director of Waitress) to Martin Scorsese.

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Also, think about it this way. When you watch a film by Spike Lee, an African-American filmmaker, do you feel the need compare it to films made in Africa and say "This is REAL African talent". No, because Spike Lee is not African, he's an American. In that respect, this film should be compared to Alice Wu, Michael Kang, Eric Byler.

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"I was asking (of myself) not "is this a great Asian-American film", but "is this a great film". If the main character was a mostly unknown white guy getting his grandmother's house in England, would you feel' the same way about it?"

I think it's a remarkable film regardless of whether or not there is an Asian guy (I'll also address your criticisms):

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My interpretation of the film:

First of all, the movie's not about a guy getting his grandmother's house. It's about a guy so emotionally wounded, he can't connect to anything in his life. The way he treats women is the result of his mother dying at a young age. I think his mother was the last woman he was close to, and after she died, he blamed her for leaving him. So he distances himself from the women in his life because he is afraid they'll leave him. This is obvious when you see that he cries every time he's in bed with a woman (except Miki)

Addy also lost her mother and her father is not a big part of her life. Notice when Liam is telling Joe about Shanghai, he asks Joe to take her to school. Her father obviously is not there for her. Addy sees Liam as a replacement father figure. Liam envies Addy because she is so free and so emotionally open, the exact opposite of himself. Her childish dialogue is there for a reason. Addy is so open, she's not afraid to sound stupid, not afraid to talk to strangers, not afraid to sing on a bus. She talks the way she wants to talk, says what she wants to say, without any self-consciousness. Most teenagers try to talk older because they're insecure of their own immaturity. So the reasons they're attracted to each other is clear (which already makes it much better than most romantic comedies).

Liam goes to Shanghai because he is so desperate to connect to anything. When he meets Miki, she sees a part of his mother in her (being Chinese). He also feels that the house is the remaining link to his family (his last living family member, his father, is basically dead to him). On impulse, he decides that Shanghai is for him. But he does this only for superficial reasons. Although he looks Chinese, he realizes later that he really has no understanding of what it means at all.

Watch how he tells Miki how his mother dies, then later, in the flashback, he doesn't tell Addy, even though she just poured her heart out to him. It shows his growth as a character and it shows him getting go. The movie is so carefully structured, revealing details of his character as the story requires them. Shanghai also changes throughout, from Liam's glitzy, glamorous, romanticized version in the beginning to the Shanghai he sees after getting thrown out of the car.

You say the movie is predictable but the predictable version would've had him staying in China and ending up with Miki. That's the flaw of most "going back to homeland" stories. Liam is American. He grew up with American culture. I think Liam's charm comes from his sense of humor, yet Miki didn't understand any of his jokes. He tries to force feelings for her because she looks closer to his mother than American women and also because it would be the more socially acceptable relationship, in contrast to Addy which is not (she's not only white but also sixteen). Addy doesn't care what's socially acceptable or not, she follows her heart, which is what Liam learns to do at the end.

I think the best art allows you to come up with your own interpretations rather than to force-feed you. This film never explains why he cries. It doesn't explain his behavior with women. It doesn't explain why he likes Addy or vice versa. But all the clues for there for everyone paying attention and I spent awhile piecing it together. This is a film that can be analyzed in many different ways. If there is a flaw, it's that it is so entertaining and easy to watch, it's very easy to gloss over the depths of Liam and Addy's characters (which you might've done).

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Also, although your list of directors is great, they make pretty conventional films. Even Kim Ki-Duk, although you can classify his work as "art films", they're pretty commercial genre art films. A lot of them are also pretty heavy handed.

Check out Hao Hsaio-hsien, and Edward Yang, both of whom, in my opinion, make more interesting films that are more character driven.

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Just curious, what do you rate the movie, from 1 to 10? I ask because it sounded like you hated it at first, then said it was okay.

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anyone notice how hayden panettiere is on the cover (massive image) like this is one of her teenybopper flicks lol

thought that was funny but smart though, i've been doing the same, shamelessly plugging the dvd on several hayden related forums, blogs, etc.

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