About 3/4 through the movie, Erin's husband leaves her. She says "I can't believe I'm getting divorced" to her dad, and her wedding ring is off. However, throughout the rest of the movie, she still wears her wedding ring!
Also, if she's married, why does she write her name on the board as "MS. Gruwell" and not "MRS."? And everyone calls her Ms. Gruwell while she's married.
???
[deleted]
Jazhands, you beat me to it. I was going to say the same thing about Ms.
shareJazhands wrote: "and a lot of people wear their wedding ring until the divorce actually goes through."
Yes, I agree and I've seen it in real life. However, once she learns she's getting a divorce, she takes her wedding ring OFF. It's noticeable, I think, when she packs her stuff and moves.
The goof I have in mind is that she then puts it back ON. Her divorce was probably final within a year, yet she teaches for 2-3 years. So why would she take it off, only to put it back on, especially when her divorce is final?
I think they shot the film out of sequence and everyone forgot.
OK, the ring thing may have just been a goof, but there are actually many people that don't stop wearing their wedding ring the second they get divorced, especially if it was a bittersweet divorce as opposed to a "your ass cheated on me, now go rot in hell" type of divorce. If she put it back on, maybe she felt like there was still hope...I don't know. And taking it off ONCE right when you realize you are getting divorced can be done for symbolic reason or show, not because you intend to stop wearing it immediately. Also, sometimes when you wear a ring on your finger for a period of years, you actually feel physically uncomfortable not having it on there anymore. It's a strange sensation; you take the ring off but you feel as if it were still on your finger and it's annoying.
As far as the "Ms." vs. "Mrs." thing goes, I'm honestly not trying to be snotty, but it really surprises me that you seem to not understand that "Ms." and "Miss" are NOT the same thing. "Miss" indicates that a lady is unmarried, whereas "Ms." (which is pronounced miz, not miss) deliberately does NOT indicate if a woman is single or married and can therefore be used by single and married women alike!
Edit: Oops, you ALL already beat me to it. I somehow didn't see your earlier posts when I tried to respond. Sorry!
I do actually know the difference between Miss and Ms.
That's why I asked why Erin, a married woman, wrote "Ms." on the board when she's married and would have written "Mrs." I didn't ask why she didn't write Miss!
If someone calls themselves Miss, clearly they are UN-married. But if someone write Ms. it's ambiguous. Women have the right to not want to reveal their marital status.
But I was wondering why if she's married, her default is not Mrs. but Ms. The title "Miss" doesn't even enter into the equation!
I've never met a married woman who called herself Ms. by choice.
Again, "Ms." is for BOTH married and unmarried women. That's the whole point--it's a way for a woman to not indicate her marital status. So, if you know the difference between Miss and Ms., why are you still wondering why she wrote Ms. if she was married??
You write about the term Ms. and how women have the right to not want to reveal their marital status, yet you ask why if she's married her "default" is not Mrs......HELLO?!?!?! If she doesn't want to reveal her marital status, that is PRECISELY WHY she would write Ms. instead of Mrs.
Also, if she's married, why does she write her name on the board as "MS. Gruwell" and not "MRS."? And everyone calls her Ms. Gruwell while she's married.
Because she is NOT "Mrs. Gruwell". Check the character names in the credits: her father is a Gruwell, and her husband's last name is different. She kept her own name when she married.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
That's a good point, but she's still married.
I know women who are Mary Smith and they marry John Doe, and they are Mrs. Smith. Just because they didn't take their husband's last name doesn't mean they don't still call themselves "Mrs."
It's okay....I was just wondering.
I've never seen that before. "Mrs. Smith" implies the woman is married to a man with the last name Smith.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
Oooh, that's interesting, actually. We both have never seen something else before. You made such a great point, and I wonder if there's actually a logistical explanation or reasoning. You brought up an interesting point of view!
shareWell, it's certainly not a "major goof" that she uses Ms. even though she was married.
I read on another thread, don't know if it's true, that the real Erin Gruwell has never been married. They fictionalized a husband who divorced her to dramatize how her devotion to her teaching encroached on her personal life. So maybe she goes by "Ms. G" in real life too.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
Auch Aye! . . I certainly do concur with that preceding remark.
. . And on the subject of "Major Goof" . .
I think it was in 1992 . .
at Johnnycakes Boot Camp for Bad Boys, (don't you know),
where Major Goof and I would often sit around the campfire,
and talk in fake British accents of the days and times of wee Marnie MaLoo .. .
—PmCƒ(×)
It's not true. She WAS married and divorced. Most of what was portrayed in this film was incredibly accurate.
"Now, tart face, take your Clark bars and get outta my house!!!"
I noticed the ring back on her finger. It was probably just the way they shot the scenes.
I don't believe it's uncommon for female teachers to use Ms. Last-Name. All my teachers used "Ms." unless they got married sometime during the school year and wanted to announce it to the class. However, we still usually called them by Ms. Former-Last-Name or Ms. New-Last-Name. I have a few teacher friends now and they are all married and go by Ms. Last Name.
I really think it's more a sign of the changing times. Women are not classified as spinsters as much these days so there is no reason to *announce* their married status as readily.
She should have gone by Mrs, Casey in the movie
share