Giselle was pretty plain for a Disney chica. Nancy was much cuter, especially as a cartoon. And Narissa..... Susan Sarandon looked delicious in that costume.
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, every one.
You must be another Amy Nazi. As if being a girl has to do with anything. At any rate, I just prefer seeing women with unique beauty to plain Janes. Sorry you don't. Amy has plain features and is cute at best.
Dang, I forgot Susan and Idina are excellent singers too.
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, every one.
May I ask if you are a lesbian (I assume you are a girl)? Because if you aren't then being a girl is absolutely relevant. I mean if you're not actually attracted to women then why do you think that you're an authority on how attractive they are. In fact why do you even care about which actress is more beautiful than the other. I guarantee you that 9 out of 10 straight men would say that Amy is better looking than Idina. And I'm not saying that just because I myself am attracted to her. I also say that because Idina's features aren't as traditionally attractive as Amy's- she has a long nose and a somewhat masculine jaw. Now I don't mean to insult Idina, she seems sweet and she's not bad looking, not to mention she's an excellent singer, I merely say this because if you think Idina is somehow objectively better looking than Amy you simply don't have a leg to stand on.
It just irritates me when heterosexual women complain about how they think other women are not attractive. I can understand when it is someone completely useless like Paris Hilton, who constantly flaunts their sexuality to get noticed and in no way deserves their popularity but when you complain about someone who is not only very attractive but also seems hard working, modest and genuine, then it just reeks of bitterness and jealousy. I just don't get why you bother. So you don't think she's cute, going on a message board to tell everybody about it just makes you seem extremely insecure.
P.S. if you are actually attracted to women then fair enough, I disagree but whatever floats your boat.
EDIT: I retract that last statement, being attracted to women wouldn't excuse you for belittling them.
Nope. And why would I care if more men find her betterlooking than Idina? I just appreciate beauty (not that it should really concern you), especially unique beauty like I mentioned. Amy just bores me. I wish more people like Idina were appreciated is all, and I never said she was more "objectively better looking".
Really? Cuz it irritates me when people act like straight women, even non-jealous ones, aren't allowed to have any say in women are are or are not goodlooking. I don't care if straight men judge how men look. Why should it matter if women judge how women look? If they don't do it out of insecurity who gives a crap?
PS Amy is only "very attractive" to you, and if you think she is somehow objectively better looking than Idina you simply don't have a leg to stand on. I think she is very overrated like many of the most popular actresses today. And from some of her pictures, I fail to see how she's completely modest. I will say that she seems nice at any rate, but how is any of that relevent to my opinion that Nancy and Narissa (who I must admit you ignored during your lecture) are betterlooking than the one most people find prettier? I take it you didn't realize this post was only half serious.
But I still love to wash in your old bathwater Love to think that you couldn't love another
"I just appreciate beauty (not that it should really concern you)"
Then who should it concern and why are you posting it on a public message board?
"I never said she was more "objectively better looking"."
"Nancy was much cuter" "Amy has plain features and is cute at best."
Those are objective statements. Whenever you post about Adams (which is seemingly a lot for no apparent reason) you are always making statements as though they are the objective truth rather than expressing that they are just your opinion.
"Why should it matter if women judge how women look? If they don't do it out of insecurity who gives a crap?"
Why should people be so judgemental anyway. I don't think men should be going around saying things like "such and such is a plain jane" etc. either, but at least that actually makes some sense- men are biologically conditioned to judge women in order to find their best mate (and vice versa). There is no apparent reason for people to insult and make nonconstructive criticisms of other peoples looks if they are of the same sex.
"Cuz it irritates me when people act like straight women, even non-jealous ones, aren't allowed to have any say in women are are or are not goodlooking."
It would not irritate me at all if you merely expressed your opinion that Idina is more attractive than Amy (I wouldn't see the point, which is why I asked you those questions, but whatever), that is if you didn't seem to feel the need to put Amy down constantly. Note the fact that I used the word "complain" in my above post. That is what irritates me, not that you are expressing your differing opinion but that you do it in an unpleasant manner. That and the way you say everything as though it is objective truth.
"I wish more people like Idina were appreciated is all"
Is it your opinion that the beauty and talent of women like Idina and Susan Sarandon can only be appreciated if you put down other women (like Amy, Anne Hathaway, Zooey Deschanel etc.) because that is what it seems like.
"I think she is very overrated like many of the most popular actresses today."
People's overuse of the word overrated irritates me as well. I can understand that you would get annoyed by the rabid fans of the above actresses, if they were being rude/hostile/insulting to other people, but that doesn't mean you should sink to their level by being insulting back. Otherwise, why does it bother you that people like and appreciate things that you don't?
"Amy is only "very attractive" to you"
Clearly that is not true considering all of the adoration on this board and in outside reviews and articles. I'm assuming her fiance finds her attractive as well.
"if you think she is somehow objectively better looking than Idina you simply don't have a leg to stand on."
That is absolutely not what I meant, seeing as beauty is obviously always subjective (although seemingly not to you, considering the way that you write). I do think, however, that if you were trying to make an objective argument (which I don't think you should and I only brought up because of the way you were talking about them) for who is better looking based on how many people and by what degree those people are attracted to each person, you would have a better leg to stand on if you were arguing for Amy Adams considering not only general public opinion but also studies done on peoples perceptions of facial structure and facial symmetry (which is why I mentioned Idina's nose and jaw).
"how is any of that relevent to my opinion that Nancy and Narissa (who I must admit you ignored during your lecture) are betterlooking than the one most people find prettier?"
It is relevant in the sense that you are being unnecessarily harsh about someone who, by all evidence, does not deserve it.
I may lecture, but only in the, probably vain, hope that people on these boards, and in general, would be less unnecessarily harsh about other people.
peanutbrittle - nice post! Personally I can't conceive of Idina being considered attractive. Good actress. Very good singer. But attractive? Well I guess some folks do.
Because everyone has a right to say what they consider beauty and what they don't, whether they'd consider them for a relationship or not? I do agree though, people should not be bitchy when discussing why they don't like someone. There are nicer ways.
I thought Nancy was prettier than Gisellle. When I first saw the film I was disappointed that the animated-turned-human Giselle was plain. Amy looked way better in NATM2 but here she looked so washout and plain. Believe me I have an HDTV and she...well I'm being kind when I say she was a letdown. However Nancy look good on my HDTV.
I think Amy is talent but to say she a fairy-tale princess was stretching. Same goes for Kristen Dunst in the Spider-Man movies. The character MJ is supposed to be a supermodel but Dunst is average at best. Terrible casting there as well.
Not to mention they both tend to make their characters overact IMO, like in the third Spiderman... she made MJ sound psycho about him talking to Gwen. And as for Amy, she's just not princess material. Too nerdy, if you ask me.
Where have all the graveyards gone? Covered with flowers every one
Both. And IMO she does, especially when she was younger of course, but in the film she's still much more interesting and pretty to look at then Amy, who really doesn't have any flaws or interesting features to make her attractive.
Where have all the graveyards gone? Covered with flowers every one
Yeah I thought most of the women were better looking than Amy. Amy isn't unattractive, she just plain and there nothing wrong with that. I remember Sissy from Carrie and Coal Miners Daughter to be ok but not attractive.
Narissa was scorching in that tight, low-cut reptilian corset! I also think her aging face took that exotic, over-the-top makeup in a beautiful and highly-intriguing way!
If you're referring to the cartoon versions of the three women, I have to agree. I have nothing against Amy Adams or girls who I find average looking, on the contrary, but I think the animated Giselle was more beautiful than Amy (in spite cartoon Giselle was waaaay too skinny, no offence). I haven't seen other films with Amy, but I've seen some clips of some of them and interviews - and she looks better there compared to the way she looked in "Enchanted". But I think it would have been more distracting if Giselle was too pretty. It's nice to see girls who are average looking in movies once in a while. No offence.
I agree that Nancy was cuter in cartoon version and so was Narissa. Susan Sarandon... she doesn't look bad, but she's not my type. Idina Menzel... good looking, but not stunningly gorgeous
I agree it would have been too distracting if someone extremely beautiful was Giselle. On the other hand, I find Amy Adams to be adorable. Nancy is a little more interesting-looking, but I don't find her to be pretty or cute or beautiful- no offense to anyone. She's not ugly either, just not gorgeous.
Anyway, why are we so concerned with looks? Giselle was perfectly cast. Amy Adams has such an endearing, adorable quality to her that made her a perfect choice for this role. She sings well and acts well. Her personality matched. In fact, each woman fit her role very well. Nancy was a typical New Yorker with hidden fairy-tale dreams, and well, it doesn't need to be said that Susan Sarandon is a great actress.
I didn't say that her, or other women's, opinions are invalid. My point was that she was writing as though her opinion was correct and anyone who thinks differently is wrong and has bad taste. Like I said in my last post, I don't care if people don't find her attractive or if they express that fact, it just bothers me when they act as though their opinion is the objective truth, especially when they have no reason to be concerned about another woman's attractiveness anyway. Not only that but be unnecessarily harsh about it. I mean, I think that Robert Pattinson is unattractive but I wouldn't go around telling women that he's unattractive and boring looking, especially when the consensis of the general public seems to be that he isn't and I have no reason to care anyway.