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So I still don't like Mary.


Did they really think they were going to change opinions​ with a 5 minute sappy seen after the crap that was shoved in are face all season?

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They will change some folks opinions. I still loathe Mary and I hope Lucifer snaps her neck quick but he won't. Unfortunately.

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Yep, pretty much killed everyone I liked this year and kept the one I hated the most. At least Toni is gone.

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Nope the group hug didn't work for me.

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I was nauseous at the whole family reunion scene. The so-called redemption was as un-earned as I knew it would be. If anything, it makes me despise Mary more. Everything's coming up gravy for her. She's sliding back in with no explanations or apologies after causing this emotional carnage and the massacre of so many hunters. Disgusting.

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I think the writers didn't know what to do with her when they brought her in this season. She was made to be part of the big story of season 12 when season 11 ended. It lasted a few episodes in the beginning like the demon Dean story in season 10 and then just faded. They stuck her with the British Men of Letters story and pretended she didn't exist for a number of episodes. I was hoping they'd remodel her character for season 13 but I'm guessing she'll have an off screen death scene like Rowena. I think they could have made Mary a likable character if they had a detailed idea of how to develop her in the series.

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When my hate for Mary was at an all-time high (I think it might've been after The Raid or maybe Stuck in the Middle with You), I had a very specific list of things that I said I needed for her to be redeemed to me. From 2 months ago:

I think the only way to have her be redeemed is for her to have the BMoL blow up in her face and for her to go to her sons, hat in hand, say she was wrong, and make an active effort to get to know her sons as they are now. It'd almost clear the slate and have her doing something they should've had her do at the start of the season (get to know her adult sons).

This happened minus the getting to know her sons part, because she's off in the upside down, but it's not like she died to make anything up to them, which is something I really didn't want to happen.

For me, where they went wrong with Mary is that the writers waited until episode 22 to have her connect or even appear to want to connect with her sons. They didn't show her emotional journey at all. It took until episode 22 for them to show us that the Mary we and Dean thought she was prior to season 12 is the real Mary or why she hadn't been anything but cold and distant all year. We didn't see anything from her perspective (through dialogue or flashback) about how every second she spent with John had to have been a reminder that the clock was ticking on her deal, and she still wasn't ready even though she was hunting. We didn't see her hearing about her sons' lives from them or John's journal. Even Ketch presumably had all kinds of faulty intel on them that never came up, but it could've been used to force her to look into it long before now. Without her knowing those things, why all the guilty/cold Mary? We didn't see any of her struggles with the modern world after episode 3. We didn't see how she figured out the BMoL technology when she was struggling with laptops in the early episodes. The writing for her was incredibly shallow and made her unrelatable.

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My biggest problem with Mary's character.....I just don't understand why she is the age she is.

She should be either 30 or 60.....not this weird in between age.

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I guess they could've gotten Amy Gumenick to play Mary again. She's about the right age now, but the Mary we've always seen as their mother has been Samantha Smith.

I think they tried to fix the discrepancy in the Asa Fox episode. Asa Fox's mother didn't believe Mary was really Mary at first. She said something, like 'you should be my age.' I think Laurie Paton is close to 60 although I can't find her age anywhere. Samantha is 47, but I don't think she looks her age. I guess it's a question of whether or not you buy into 40 being the new 30. ;)

I do think having her appear younger (be played by Amy Gumenick) would have made her character somewhat more sympathetic, because the Mary we have now looks older than her sons, but if she looked younger than her sons, we'd be able to understand her foolish decisions better this season if that makes sense?

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Amy seems a competent actress and I agree she could have been more sympathetic than the version Samantha has played. I'm guessing the difficulty, of course, is that Amy would be the age and looks of women Dean would hit on. Could be awkward.

Personally I think whoever came up with this dumb idea of resurrecting Mary should get his/her fingers rapped. It never worked from the start. They didn't know what to do with the character and then we learned things about Mary we'd rather not have known.

Dean's "I hate you" broke my heart.


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Yeah, I think that some of the reason they want Mary to be who she is....is that they want her to be older than the brothers, but young enough to still be attractive and be believable when doing physical activities.

And I know it's a petty complaint in a show called Supernatural where literally anything is possible....I just think that if someone is brought back to life after 30 years, the only logical appearance would be either the age when they died....or the age they would be if they hadn't died.

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Hello Ldlamb. Welcome to the board.😁

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