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EW Interview: Supernatural boss previews the 'most meta finale we've ever done'


Does anyone have any idea what most of this means? I mean, I know what it means, but is it really saying anything? I'm up for hearing interpretations.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/17/supernatural-season-12-finale-preview-andrew-dabb/amp/

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I haven't read it yet, but it reminds me of another finale amp up from showrunner (this being another show). They talked about how awesome it was going to be and it ended up being horrible IMO, but that doesn't necessarily mean that will happen with Supernatural, but the way the season has been who knows.

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“We’re wrapping a lot of things up and certain plot lines will be ended this season — some forever and some temporarily — but also, that allows us to build up steam going into season 13,” Dabb says. “Coming out of the finale, people will have a pretty good idea of where things are going.”


Which forever and which temporarily....?
I wonder if Lucifer and baby will go into the next season?

The other thing was "new chapter" - could that be a big change in the show...I just don't know what.

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I don't know. There were kind of 4 story lines this year: Mary connecting or not connecting with her sons, the BMoL, Lucifer, and Kelly the nephilim. I'm guessing that the BMoL will be wrapped up forever, or they would've gotten episode 23 instead of 22, but it does make me wonder, 'What about the BMoL in the UK?' so it is something that could be temporarily resolved. Maybe Lucifer will be wrapped up forever (fingers crossed). I doubt the nephilim will be. I'm not sure if Mary will reconnect with her sons, get some kind of redemption, and be ended permanently or not.

I think maybe some will be ended temporarily because Dean and Sam are going to be sent to an alternate universe, so whatever doesn't get resolved will have to wait until they get back. It could also be that what they're seeing in that desert landscape is the future, so that theory might mean nothing, but I have thought recently that the call backs to previous seasons in season 12 have been like a 'good bye' to the show we know. I have no idea where they're going to take it.

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I think and hope the British men of letters will be wrapped up. Ketchup and Hess (was it?) Gone.
Mary gone, do you think they are planning to keep her involved for awhile?
I'm not a fan of Lucifer storyline and this demon baby so I hope that's an end.
Basically I want all the stories from this season to end....
How would you feel about an alternate universe season? Reminds me of Fringe.
I was thinking of the future but I don't how how they'd get there and how they'd stretch that out for 22 episodes.

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I think and hope the British men of letters will be wrapped up. Ketchup and Hess (was it?) Gone.


If they say that the only BMoL left are all in the BMoL US base and that Hess is actually a front for the 'Old Men' then I would be okay with that. No loose ends.

Mary gone, do you think they are planning to keep her involved for awhile?

It depends on if they're just seeing the future in that desert landscape or if they're sent there, because she's there too. Maybe they'll have to leave her there if they want to get out, but I don't think that will happen until next year. I think she'll have a little time to build her relationship with her sons the way she should've done this year before she's gone.

"How would you feel about an alternate universe season? Reminds me of Fringe."

I'm okay with it if it's a dark alternate universe, but I don't know how long they'll be able to do that on their budget, so for practical reasons, I doubt it could last as long as I'd like.


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Basically I want all the stories from this season to end....

Hear hear.

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What it sounds like to me that Dabb is planning to further deconstruct Supernatural to fit his new "cool" plan for the show's future. Oh God! I think I'm a little sick to my stomach and mostly terrified for what he is about to do.

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That was my first reaction too when I read this:

“There are some things that happen that impact strongly and directly on the boys, while at the same time, we are starting a new chapter in the show, [though] not in a way of erasing what’s come before,” Dabb says. “I think it’s something that will be a natural progression of what we’ve done but also cool and different and hopefully give us a lot of energy going into season 13.”


But now I'm trying to spin it into a positive direction for myself until I see what happens. I'll be right there with you if things go to hell. Kind of the best thing about us all being here tomorrow night when it airs.

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Dabb will go a long way with me if it appears he has heard the criticism and is trying to make a course correction. None of his ideas have resonated with fans. Almost everyone wants Mary dead and gone, the BMOL's was so poorly realized that their story has turned into a bad Dudley Do Right cartoon, the Nephilim is just a reworking of the Darkness but instead of the connection of Dean and Amara and Sam's crisis of faith we got Castiels connection to the Nephilim and his crisis of faith and the brothers got bupkus. If he wipes the slate clean and goes with whatever his staff of writers had in mind to begin with last year maybe, just maybe we have a glimmer of hope. And brothers brothers brothers...the show lives and dies by the relationship between the brothers. Please please please use the two of the most talented actors on TV. They really will carry the show for you Mr Dabb.

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I don't understand a word he says but I know that none of it sounds good lol.

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I won't even say what my biggest worry is. It'd probably upset too many people. Stupid, stupid imagination.

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Say it, Clue! I need to be prepared!!!

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Yes please I need to know and spread rumors that will horrify other fans.

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Ha!

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Honestly, if it's going to go wrong, there are a couple of ways it could go really wrong for me. 1) They (Sam, Dean, Mary, and Cas) are sent to the Empty and have to find a way out. That's the half of each episode that will deal with the Winchesters in season 13. Then in the other half, you've got Wayward Daughters topside working cases and being the hunters on the show. Maybe they'll even move into the bunker after that little legacy talk the Winchesters had about the bunker a few episodes ago. The myth arcs will still deal with Lucifer and the nephilim, maybe Crowley if he's not dead. Then if episode 300 is to be the last, the back half of season 13 or maybe even 14 will see the Winchesters make it topside, and they will deal with Lucifer but mostly be relegated to running the US hunters out of the bunker to further boost the spin off that Dabb et. al. will have tried to get us used to while the Winchesters were thrown into another dimension. They did say that the Claire the werewolf episode this year would be setting up something we're going to see next year, and we all know now that it wasn't Mick. We also heard that there were some really cool things for the Wayward Daughters next year at the Asylum 18 con. 2) The Winchesters are left in peril, they can't be healed next season, because Cas can't for whatever reason (like he's dead), and they have to retire by running the AMoL from the bunker with Claire and Max and the hunters that survive episode 12.22 being the hunters next season.

Stupid, stupid imagination. See, this is why I try to think positive.

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That's definitely the way to go to reach that 0.3 demo!!! 🤗








* drowns in a pool of tears *
I'm good and terrified now. Thanks, Clue.🤣

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Well, I guess this is a horror show. Might as well terrify us somehow. ;)

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That would be a horrifying scenario for sure - probably the scariest thing they could ever write. LOL!

And gosh darn-it if that's not something that sounds right up Dabb's alley. Shriek!

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Yikes!! That would horrify the fans. But unfortunately pretty plausible.

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It is. I still have no idea how they're going to make this meta. Part of me hopes that Dabb doesn't actually know what meta means. :)

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Part of me hopes that Dabb doesn't actually know what meta means. :)


Maybe that word doesn't mean what he thinks it means. Heh. ;)

At this point I just throw my hands up in the air. The episodes will be what they'll be, and I shall sit back and read the fall-out, then decide what to do about said episodes. What's silly is that I have nothing else I need to watch tonight, no tv conflicts at all - but I still won't watch live. Those days are done.

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Bob Singer said at the beginning of the season that they wouldn't be attempting another meta episode like Baby or French Mistake unless they could knock it out of the park. Those types of scripts are complicated and have to be really well thought out. My take on that statement meant he didn't think the current writers had the talent to pull something like that off (including Dabb and Berens). For me that means they are going to go for it anyway and hope for the best since every idea they had this season was a total bust with the fans.

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