Still have over an hour to go. I know of one thing that happens that I am not going to like very much.
edit: Wow...I can't even begin to try and explain this episode. That was awful? Doesn't seem to do it justice...
I haven't watched it yet. I can't really comment until I do. I think it's a bad sign when watching an episode feels like being forced to eat everything on your plate before you're allowed to get up from the table.
shareWatched it. 3/10 Here are my thoughts:
Apparently, we are to forget the previous nephilim we saw on the show. It's not even just that the baby nephilim is half-archangel or Lucifer's. What the angels thought about how powerful a normal nephilim is in the Lily Sunder episode also didn't mesh with the nephilim we saw in season 8. Everything about this storyline seems to be about misguided perceptions. There really is no reliable narrator. The angel's have their perceptions. The Winchesters have theirs. Lucifer has his. Kelly has hers. Dagon has hers. I'd say that's the way this season has felt overall. The Winchesters (and of the two of them, usually Dean) are our POV, and this season we've been getting everyone else's POV except theirs . . . no reliable POV = utter confusion.
If the nephilim doesn't have to be carried for a full 9 months, I'm guessing it will age quickly once it's born. Hello, either unstoppable new addition to TFW or Lucifer-ally, depending on who has to raise it, I guess.
Cas, like everyone else this season, seems to be doing things his own way. This is the episode where Dean finds that out, just like he found out after the fact about Mary and Sam. He's understandably angry. Cas goes to Dean, explains how useless he feels and tells him he needs to get a win. It's obvious that while he meant what he was saying here, he's still planning something sketchy and only using the tape as a way to get in the door with Dean, but Dean doesn't see it, because as worried and angry as he was, he wants to believe Cas, he, and Sam are on the same page - TFW. They so aren't. Their words say they are, but their actions say otherwise, and it's been this way all season.
We see Cas only went to the bunker and laid bare his reasoning for working with the angels to trick Dean into helping him get the Colt for the angels . . . sounds familiar . . . oh, hello obvious parallel to Mary doing the same for the BMoL. Cas even listed not being able to find them when they got arrested at the end of LOTUS as a reason for doing this . . . after the Winchesters came back from that ordeal is when Mary joined.
Can the Winchesters kill innocents? In this episode we get a resounding, 'No,' but Mary and Cas, to protect the Winchesters even if it's not what they want or need, betray them, and say they will.
Cas and Kelly talk about the baby not being born evil . . . Cas isn't willing to take the chance that it could become evil (like the BMoL don't take a chance on good monsters).
So, now we have Cas telling Kelly that if the nephilim is born, Kelly will die . . . Why didn't he think that when they went after Lily Sunder and her kid? It's like when the writers screw up canon, they double down on it and expect us to go along with it . . . same thing they did by reinforcing this ridiculous change of having Lucifer be the oldest archangel and so many other things throughout the years.
Kelly stealing the Impala was just a whole lot of ridiculous. We don't even get to see Dean drive the Impala in this episode, but we get to see Kelly driving it.
I have no idea why they brought Joshua back to kill him after one line. More killing off of what the show used to be? I have no idea why Dagon is just going around and turning angels into dust with her touch. Ridiculous. Not really sure why she didn't just do the same to Cas other than they needed a reason for the Winchesters to show up and act as a distraction. They had no other purpose this episode.
The Colt's gone. Should've never come back. It went from being a symbol of sacrifice, family, and hope to being one of betrayal. Mary betrayed them to get it. Sam knew about the Colt betrayal, joined the BMoL, had Dean working with them for weeks without knowing it, which is also a betrayal even though it was downplayed. Cas betrayed Dean to get it. Dean (who says the Colt is his in this episode, and that's the reason why I'm focusing on how he, specifically, has been betrayed this season) never got to do anything other than clean it. Destroying it in front of Dean drives home that what it used to represent (sacrifice/family/hope) and another link to the show's past are gone (Yeah, sure the Colt was gone for years, but we knew it was out there somewhere and didn't particularly care if they found it again, because it does make things too easy).
So, I guess causing something to burst into flames with a touch is the nephilim's power. It's certainly not anything we've ever seen Cas do . . . smiting, yes . . . that, no. None of that was Cas. And now we have Cas totally changing his allegiance from the Winchesters to the nephilim.
Let me see if I've got this right. Kelly lost hope. Tried to end it all for the world. The nephilim saved her. Her hope returned. Cas lost hope and was willing to end it for others. The nephilim helped him regain his power, saved him, and returned his hope. Now they're both true believers?
That about sums it up.
A very confusing episode. The whole montage of Sam researching just to figure out when the baby is going to be born? Shouldn't that have taken a mathlete about 5 seconds? Cas spends weeks in heaven conspiring with the angels only to come up with Kelly and the Nephilim must die and they need the Colt to do it. Shouldn't that have taken less seconds? Dagon vaporizes Joshua (Why? Maybe Joshua was Loflins character so Dabb wanted him vaporized.) but she can't or won't kill Cas or Sam and Dean? .
I hear you about all of the betrayals against Dean this season. I am so tired of watching Dean taking it in stride. These are huge betrayals by everyone he loves. And Dabb has pretty much promised that Dean won't have a reaction to any of this for the rest of the season. Sam being the patient understanding brother is getting really tiresome as well. They are just caricatures of the Winchesters. Jared and Jensen can't be happy with this.
I can't even with the Colt. What was the point? It was a symbol of hope and salvation for the Winchesters. John left his sons to find it. Dean killed Azazel with it for his Mom. Dabb brought it back as a symbol of betrayal and deceit. And yes Dean didn't even get to use it. Why bring it back at all? It was a poorly written story line that ended in the most anticlimactic way possible.
If Cas's betrayal gets swept under the rug like Mary's and Sam's I will be done with S12. What a weird unsatisfying season this has been. But not really very surprising considering how last season ended.
"I can't even with the Colt. What was the point? It was a symbol of hope and salvation for the Winchesters. John left his sons to find it. Dean killed Azazel with it for his Mom. Dabb brought it back as a symbol of betrayal and deceit. And yes Dean didn't even get to use it. Why bring it back at all? It was a poorly written story line that ended in the most anticlimactic way possible."
The colt was brought back as a big F you to Dean fans and a cheap way to give Sam big kills. They destroyed it because it was an icon from when the show was great and they have decided to "deconstruct" everything that made Supernatural great. Wouldn't be surprised if they did the same to Ruby's knife, the bunker and the impala.
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I can't even with the Colt. What was the point? It was a symbol of hope and salvation for the Winchesters. John left his sons to find it. Dean killed Azazel with it for his Mom. Dabb brought it back as a symbol of betrayal and deceit. And yes Dean didn't even get to use it. Why bring it back at all? It was a poorly written story line that ended in the most anticlimactic way possible.[/quote]
I agree, and the way it's been framed?
John was secretive about his intentions all year, but going into that vampire den to get the Colt in Dead Man's Blood, we saw him opening up to Dean and Sam about the Colt and telling them what it could do. It's really the first time we see or hear him treat them like the men they'd become instead of keeping them in the dark about it. Mary did the exact opposite in Stuck in the Middle with You. John used a bullet to save Sam from Luther, and he traded the Colt and his soul for Dean's life in IMToD. Did Mary use the Colt as a bargaining chip to help Dean or Sam when she could have against Ramiel? Nope.
Bela stole the Colt to try and save her soul, which ultimately condemned both she and Dean (I know it was always a long shot, but the hope of doing anything about Dean's deal once the Colt was gone went with it). Ellen and Jo sacrificed themselves for the hope the Colt brought - it didn't work, but that sacrifice was massive.
Ever since the Colt's been reintroduced, it's just been one betrayal after another, and there probably won't be any follow through on any of that even though this: [quote] Dean didn't even get to use it.[/quote]
and this:
[quote]I hear you about all of the betrayals against Dean this season. I am so tired of watching Dean taking it in stride.[/quote]
Are plot points that need to be addressed, but won't because of this:
[quote] Dabb has pretty much promised that Dean won't have a reaction to any of this for the rest of the season.
A terrible episode in a consistently terrible season.
The symbolism of the Winchesters asleep on the side of the road while other characters drive off into the night wasn't lost on me. They're useless. Might as well kill them in the finale and be done with it.
Yeah, I'm pissed.
What a meandering piece dreck. I can't even, as Calliope would say.
Sorry. Fan Fiction aired yesterday on E!.
The symbolism of the Winchesters asleep on the side of the road while other characters drive off into the night wasn't lost on me. They're useless.
Things started going downhill on "We Happy Few" for me. Before that, I felt the Winchesters were still emotionally 'present' - relatively - even with a reduced screen time. I've been ranting about Dabb since "Alpha and Omega" and I already knew from the Summer of 2016 spoilers that season 12 would be bad for the Winchesters. Dabb established his vision clearly in the much panned s11 finale and as predicted, it's been a trainwreck from there. I'm praying for a 0.4 because someone needs to take the wheel. Dabb's driving this show into a creative ditch and he needs to be stopped. I'm disgusted with everything right now. Argh!
shareThings started going downhill on "We Happy Few" for me. Before that, I felt the Winchesters were still emotionally 'present' - relatively - even with a reduced screen time.
I guess what I mean by the brothers being emotionally present is :
- them being the center of the narrative
- and them being emotionally present with each other.
I felt I had both in season 11 which is the reason I loved it so much. I also enjoyed Dean's Amara arc and I was a fan of the Darkness from Day 1.
Ah, I see what you mean. I liked the potential for the Dean and Amara storyline, but I think it got changed along the way and sort of fizzled out long before we even got to the finale. Of course, I was also hoping for the universe to be turned on it's head when Amara was released, so I was a little let down by that. I know it's not the show's fault that it didn't live up to my weird expectations, but it didn't, and it skewed my viewing enjoyment.
I know the budget isn't there to do anything too drastic, but I don't think a big budget would've been required if done the right way. For instance, we could've had Dean and Sam being immune to the effects of the Darkness, because they were at ground zero, so they're the only ones who notice the differences in the universe. Everything around them could've been different and the same, since Amara is the opposite of Chuck. I would've had Crowley and Rowena good and Cas evil (without ever getting Lucifer out of the cage) . . . maybe hunters are monsters and as the season progresses, more and more 'people' like cops, victims, friends etc. are monsters as the Darkness's influence on the universe grows.
I wouldn't have had Amara start as a baby. I would've had her start out as an adult, but we wouldn't have seen her for a while, just the effects of her on Dean (talks to him in his sleep, etc.) and the universe at large. As her influence grew, it could've built up the suspense for when we finally did see her and what would Dean do when that happened?
Of course if I had the budget, I probably would've made it so colors were different to create more of a dreamscape, so maybe instead of white picket fences we'd see black picket fences, etc.
I also wanted more interaction with Dean and Amara like her talking to him in his sleep, something really consistent that wold have built up the suspense. I agree that the Amara arc fizzled out in the second part of the season.
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But even the soul bomb idea was flawed. It's not like Dean could've detonated it, because with that much power in the soul bomb, it would've blown up the Earth too, so a talk was all that was ever going to work there.
It was horrible, by far the worst episode this season. I know this season hasn't been that great and much of a disappointment, but it felt like a backdoor pilot, or even fan fiction. Dean and Sam felt like a water downed version of themselves, while Cas was away in Heaven for how long? and "thought up" this plan? My brother and I couldn't believe what we were watching. We were really hoping and by that I mean fingers cross and overly hopeful that "The Future" would've not only kill off Dagon, but Kelly too. How much longer does it need to be dragged out?
Dagon was killed no loss there, but she destroyed the colt.
The nephilim is this magical fetus with a golden heart or something?
Was Cas fully charged by the nephilim or what was that?
Was Cas fully charged by the nephilim or what was that?