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Matt's Inside Line (TV Line) - Spoilers

posted 8 years ago by CluelessDrifter (884)
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You can find it here: Matt's Inside Line

This is the question/answer that specifically deals with Supernatural.

"I was surprised that Supernatural’s Dean caved so easily to working with the British Men of Letters. Is he now all in like the other Winchesters or will Dean continue to push back against the Brits’ way of hunting? —Lisa

We’ve helpfully updated your question: Considering what the Brits are up to now, with the spying and killing, is Dean going to be feeling pretty vindicated about his initial hesitations? “‘Vindicated’ might be the wrong word,” executive producer Andrew Dabb says, explaining that “there’s some of that, but I don’t think there’s so much that it will be off-putting. Dean went into [the partnership with the British Men of Letters] with his eyes open, and Sam and Mary probably bought the hype a little bit more. Dean’s more of a skeptic. Sam has always been a little bit more a believer, and Mary’s the same way. They both want to make a better world, a monster-free world. The Brits are making progress doing that. So what it comes down to, finally, is the price you’re willing to pay — and once the rubber hits the road, that price is probably too high for our guys.”

So Sam and Mary have only bought into the BMoL hype "a little bit more"? I think they've bought into it a lot more. Sam has always been "a little bit more" of a believer than Dean? I think he's a lot more of a believer than Dean (Houses of the Holy. Dean could be saved from his deal. Ruby. Jumping in the cage with Lucifer would work. Getting the Mark off Dean was possible. Getting Lucifer out of the cage was God telling him to do it. The BMoL. - Sometimes he's right, like with there being a God or Swan Song, but a lot of the time, it's where he also gets lead astray - kind of one of his main traits - wouldn't call it "a little bit more"). Does that mean that if Dabb thinks that Dean's feeling "some" vindication for being right about the BMoL, it will actually be a lot more? ;)

Honestly, the show has already vindicated Dean to the viewers, because we've seen every time the BMoL do something wrong. It's just that his family hasn't had to acknowledge he was right yet. I'm waiting to see when this happens, but until it does, I'm getting more and more annoyed with how right we know Dean is without any of the Winchesters catching onto why, because it makes them all look bad.

[–] cassiopeia (528) 8 years ago

Well that explains why Dean basically had no reaction to the Colt, Sam's lies and manipulation and Mary's betrayal. Dabb isn't interested in any family drama even though he sets up family drama. This is the most confusing season I've ever watched. I don't know what Dabb is going for.

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

"Well that explains why Dean basically had no reaction to the Colt, Sam's lies and manipulation and Mary's betrayal. Dabb isn't interested in any family drama even though he sets up family drama. This is the most confusing season I've ever watched. I don't know what Dabb is going for."

I couldn't have put this better myself. I have no idea what Dabb wants either, because you're right. The set up for these dramas are all over the place. My best guess? He doesn't know the characters as well as he should and/or care about their histories enough to know when things will upset them and create the drama he's setting up, so he doesn't know or care to follow through on said dramas.

That, or I think we're supposed to be getting a look into the Winchester's relationships from outside this season, so we aren't seeing anything that they're actually talking about or how they're reacting to anything. We're just getting them hunting, dealing with the nephilim, and one time where Dean blew up at Mary. It's like I said in another thread, we're watching things from the BMoL's POV in a way we never saw Ruby's POV in Season 4, but the set ups are exactly the same. Sam wants to do something that seems like it would be good, like killing Lilith, and he's working with people he thinks will help him achieve that even though he shouldn't, like he did with Ruby, but the difference is we know what the BMoL have been up to all season, whereas we never saw Ruby talking with Lilith about her plans to get Sam strong enough to kill Lilith or that killing Lilith would release Lucifer. It's annoying to watch, because it makes Dean and Sam look worse than if we're as in the dark about what the villains are doing as Sam and Dean are. Also, they have no idea that Crowley has Lucifer either. That makes them look doubly bad. They have no idea what's really going on this season.

[–] Bella-UK (1288) 8 years ago

I so wish we had a like button, as I so agree with this, and get where you're both coming from.

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

Thanks Bella. I like speculating, because it's like a puzzle, and I like figuring things out. Maybe it also gives me a little bit a hope until the inevitable reveal that proves I was wrong and nothing will come of the things I thought might be important, but overall, I'm extremely displeased with this season. At this point, I'm really hoping for that spin-off to happen next year, so Dabb will go do that and we can get someone else to run the show, because I just don't think he respects the show he has as much as he should. He wants to turn it into something it isn't and keeps trying to make us think that's not what he's doing by going back over old myth arcs or concepts, like the set up for season 4 or Mary, the psy kids, Lucifer, YEDs, nephilim, the Colt, MoL, a season 4-type Cas that I'm expecting to see when he comes back, etc.