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"Why Mary's New Romance Is Exactly What 'Supernatural' Needs"


I'll preface this by saying that I disagree. I'm just sharing the article and using it as an opportunity to discuss this unholy union πŸ˜–

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"Mary Winchester has always been more on the side of the British Men of Letters than either of her sons but the bed she shared with the hunters from across the pond was metaphorical. In "The British Invasion" that bed turned literal as Mary hooked up with Mr. Ketch.

Though Mary told the British killer that the affair is / was meaningless it was obvious he didn't feel the same way. The romance was unexpected and maybe a little bit weird but it could be what Supernatural needs as the British Men of Letters vs. American hunters conflict kicks into high gear.

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Supernatural needs to keep up giving us reasons to care about the British Men of Letters as characters, however. They were doing a good job of making the British Men of Letters seem interesting and multilayered with Mick but now that he is dead that development is not only stopped it's almost reversed. Ketch needs to pick up the slack now. Ketch's feelings for Mary exposing a little bit of his humanity wouldn't exactly be the most original storyline Supernatural has ever attempted. It is nevertheless necessary.

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Do you want to see more exploration of Ketch's feelings for Mary? Could the romance redeem Ketch? Should it redeem Ketch?

Source: BuddyTV

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Thank you @wisheestar for the emoji and clicky tips πŸ˜‰

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You made things clicky!

Wow! First of all I don't want Ketch to show any humanity. I do not need a redemption arc from him, no emotional reasons for him being a psychopath, no back story. In fact no more "history" of any character until we get some Winchester (and by that I mean Sam and Dean) POV.
Second....ew! I absolutely do not want to explore a "relationship" with Mary and Ketch. Every time I think I couldn't despise Mary more the writers take her to a new low. How could they have Ketch be the very next man that Mary has a connection with after John? WTH?
Pull up Dabb! Pull up!

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Yay! wishee showed me how!

I don't want Ketch to randomly turn into a sap with a massive crush on Mary although, I will be shady and say that his attraction to her says a lot. Sure, Mary's a beautiful woman but Ketch likes them cold, dark, with a side of cray. Mmh hmm... lol.

I don't want a redemption arc for him either. If a character deserved one, it was Mick but he's gone now. I want Ketch to remain the slimy psycho we've known since the beginning so the guys can unmask him as soon as possible and do what needs to be done.

" Every time I think I couldn't despise Mary more the writers take her to a new low."

You speak my language. Although I don't actually mind that Mary slept with Ketch. My opinion of her has been rock bottom for so long, I have nothing but contempt for her. I'm repulsed by all her choices and this is just another one.

I said after Family Feud that I would be fine if the show turned her into an outright villain. I dislike the way they try to make it seem that Mary has valid motivations that we'll come to understand. She doesn't. She's a morally bankrupt, pathetic excuse for a mother and the show needs to treat her as such.

Ketch and Mary make perfect sense to me and I especially like that she's going behind that psycho Antonia Bevell who mind raped her son. Mary's already a villain in my mind and the more she rolls around in the mud, the more I feel vindicated in my position about her.

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I disagree with the article. I think if they're going to use Mary to show some humanity in the BMoL, then they first have to show some humanity in Mary, and they haven't done that. The last we knew, she was clinging tightly to John's journal, but now her wedding ring is gone and she's sleeping with Ketch. Even if sexing it up with Ketch is a one-time thing for her, how did she get to that point? We've seen Ketch flattering her to excess and hear that she's been delving into hunting with him at the expense of having a relationship with her sons, but as far as an emotional journey for Mary goes, we haven't seen it. It's been entirely off screen. To me, it come off as propping up the BMoL by throwing Mary further under the bus.

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"if they're going to use Mary to show some humanity in the BMoL, then they first have to show some humanity in Mary, and they haven't done that."

This.

"how did she get to that point?"

Well she's all in with the BMOLs and she believes they're doing great things. I personally thinks she sounds like a cult member drunk on Kool-Aid but whatever. Those are her people. I don't find it surprising that she would sleep with Ketch.

Isn't she hanging out with him and hunting with him all the time? She's so busy with him she doesn't have time to hunt with her own sons (unless she needs them to catch bullets for her while she steals the Colt) or send a text hello. Mary is exactly where she belongs. Sam and Dean are too good for her, so she gravitated toward the kind of people she can be comfortable with. The likes of Ketch and Co.


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Virile... We need a 'like' button cuz I like your post. πŸ‘

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Lol, thank you, Pond 😊

We need a lot of things on this board but I'm grateful it's here.

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I predict the finale will have Mary shoot Ketch. Ketch then shoots Mary and we're subjected to an emotionally charged snot & tears dying scene with her sons gathered over her and she'll apologize and they'll apologize, everyone will apologize as her soul floats up to heaven where Cas steps forward as the welcoming committee.

Meanwhile back at the long ranch... a baby grows like a weed.



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"Ketch then shoots Mary"

I felt that his words "I'll end up shooting this one" might be foreshadowing and I would rejoice if Mary's taken out by the people she dumped her kids for.

"everyone will apologize as her soul floats up to heaven"

I don't want Dean to apologize but as long as her soul floats back to Heaven in the end, I will deal.

"Meanwhile back at the long ranch... a baby grows like a weed."

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"Meanwhile back at the long ranch... a baby grows like a weed."

Or Amara 2.0, but this time the baby grows into something that really is evil and can't be talked down in the season finale.

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I don't know, I think the twist/not twist might end up being that the baby is just a baby, and not evil at all. Admittedly I don't care, but I just think they could end up going that way.

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"I don't know, I think the twist/not twist might end up being that the baby is just a baby, and not evil at all."

Yeah, that's what I think too. They've been driving home the 'not all monsters' need to be killed idea all season, so it's setting Dean and Sam up against the BMoL, Cas/angels, and Crowley if they find out that Crowley also wants to kill the baby. Even if it could grow up into an evil adult, it hasn't done anything yet, and Dean and Sam don't kill monsters that haven't killed. It'll probably be more about who ends up wanting to raise the baby more than anything, so I'm expecting Dagon, Crowley, or Lucifer to end up with the baby at the end, and the Winchesters won't know Kelly is dead and the baby is gone until after they're done confronting whoever wants to kill the baby.

Also, they've really messed around with nephilim lore this season, so it's hard to know what is legit lore and what the characters think and have wrong about nephilim. For instance, the angels Cas went with to kill Lily Sunder's kid thought that when nephilim grow into their power, they can destroy worlds, but we saw a nephilim in season 8, and she was an adult. The world was still standing. Cas and Metatron seemed to kill her easily enough. All she seemed able to do was know that Cas was an angel and have superhuman strength. Then you have Dagon saying that the mother never survives the birth of a nephilim. If that's true, then why didn't Cas and company think there was something off about Lily Sunder still being alive if she had a nephilim?

"Admittedly I don't care,"

I may not have wanted to see it, but it's the storyline we've been given, so I care even if I only care enough to be annoyed that it's our storyline and want to see if I'm right on where it's going.

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