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Promo for 12.17 British Invasion

posted 8 years ago by CluelessDrifter (884)
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Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKTun5yG5BQ

I think they're maybe going with Mick being something of a rebel, like Henry. He seemed to have a few lightbulb moments in 12.16, like after killing the werewolf girl, Dean's conversation with him outside the bar seemed to be one, and the success with Claire's cure is one I would think is another. I'm still thinking that Dean and maybe Sam (It was interesting. For all their bonding over lore, I felt like Mick and Dean connected better than Mick and Sam in 12.16, and Dean was by far more hostile with Mick) will convert Mick to their side after what I assume is a poorly attempted assassination of them next week . . . That's if Mary doesn't pop up from out of nowhere to kill him and save the day.

If they do talk Mick around, maybe it'll lead to Ketch killing Mick at the end of the episode, and that's what'll bring *SPOILER* Toni back to run things in a few episodes *END SPOILER*, but Mick seems like the weak link in the BMoL group, so he might be more easily swayed than the Toni and Ketch zealots, and if Mick is persuaded to join the Winchester's side, I almost see him becoming something of a Henry 2.0.

And are we guessing that Mary is literally in bed with Ketch now?

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

It was obvious that Ketch and Mary were heading that way. So it doesn't surprise me.

Mick, I don't know. Like it or not he barely knows the brothers and the Men of Letters are his family in a sense. He's essentially been taught by them from school age by the looks of it.

Ten minutes with the brothers may not be strong enough to change that. He maybe conflicted about it but I'm guessing he may simply fall back in line when the pressure is put on him.

As for a question is that Eileen back? If so it may be interesting - she's an Irish born hunter remember. May have a different take on the British Men of Letters, a hunting take on it. Like why was there a banshee in a men of letters legacy home in the country right next door to the UK but did nothing about the orphan left behind?

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

Yes, that is Eileen. I'm looking forward to seeing her again. Should be interesting to find out what she knows about the BMoL. I re-watched the promo again. Maybe she's the one Mick is aiming his gun at in the clip, and Sam and Dean intervene? Maybe she's wanted by the BMoL for some reason. At any rate, I don't think Dean and Sam will be working with the BMoL after the next episode.

"Mick, I don't know. Like it or not he barely knows the brothers and the Men of Letters are his family in a sense. He's essentially been taught by them from school age by the looks of it."

True, but the same could be said for Cas. I just think that they're painting Mick as something more than his counterparts at this point.

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

True they did that for Cas and in a way they've kind of done it for Crowley too. Each turning against their own for their own reasoning and in their own way.

Just what with the way they have done the men of letters I'm not sure Mick is going to do a complete turn. He may wobble and be more open but when push comes to shove will he go with orders. Plus isn't it a bit predictable? Though accept I can be way off base on things

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

Everything about supernatural is predictable now. I'm not saying that I want to see this, but if Dabb wants to keep an element of the BMoL beyond this season (and I think he does, because I think he's sneaking this in as a new show under the guise of an old show), then he has to start somewhere, and I think that's Mick. Having one of the BMoL turn to Dean and Sam's side before the others all get sent back to the UK, allows Dabb a reason to catch the Winchesters up on all the new gadgets, magic, and lore Dabb seems to want them to use going forward.

I just think it's something they'll do . . . if they don't have Ketch kill Mick at the end under the orders of the woman who seems to be in charge. I still think that's a possibility . . . so not quite so predictable. Predictable in the sense that there are really only a few ways this can go: Mick joins the Winchesters right then and there after they talk him down; the character growth we've seen in Mick gets thrown away and he either gets killed or sent back to the UK; or he gets ordered to go back to the UK, but shows up at the bunker looking to help at the end.

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

I agree that Dabb wants to keep some aspect of the Men of Letters in next season, even if it is just the monsters turning on hunters because of the high handedness of the men of letters.

There is enough of a community network of each monster to have them start to band together.

And agree that keeping Mick is predictable and a way to keep the Men of Letters about. Though for me it would be more interesting to have Ketch kind of turn than Mick, even with Mick's character growth. It would make him and Mary sleeping together mean more than Dabb simply implying that Mary is about to hit rock bottom in a way that we will dislike her more.

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

"And agree that keeping Mick is predictable and a way to keep the Men of Letters about. Though for me it would be more interesting to have Ketch kind of turn than Mick, even with Mick's character growth. It would make him and Mary sleeping together mean more than Dabb simply implying that Mary is about to hit rock bottom in a way that we will dislike her more."

There is something to be said for Ketch switching sides, because it would be unpredictable, but I think the way he's been described and even self-described, he doesn't really fit in as a hero, anti-hero, or anti-villain (Crowley would be an anti-villain at this point). He likes his job simply because he likes killing. He doesn't seem to buy into the BMoL edicts or do it for just reasoning. I think he's supposed to be a straight up villain. If they have him come around because of Mary . . . blech!

He's presumably a psychopath (He could be a sociopath, but I think he's supposed to have been born this way), which means he shouldn't be able to form a relationship with anyone that means anything to him. People should be disposable to him and a means to an end, whether it be physical needs being met or finding a way into the Winchester family for his superiors. Hopefully, Mary is smart enough to see this, but I'm guessing if anyone is going to change sides, it might be her.

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

"Hopefully, Mary is smart enough to see this, but I'm guessing if anyone is going to change sides, it might be her."

Which to me is the most predictable thing to do, especially if she does it after sleeping with Ketch and then finds out Ketch is supposed to take out her boys. It'd be like Dabb saying 'we've officially taken Mary to rock bottom - we can officially try and force you to like her now!!!'

For me the idea of Ketch turning from the men of letters and just being unpredictable would make an interesting story because as you said he is basically a straight up moustache twirling villain and that wouldn't really change. He's a psycho they have to stop but a useful psycho who possibly sees Mary in as much as a trophy as kindred spirit and Sam and Dean as pretty much like himself. A family of useful psychos, if you will but who have more freedom than him.

Though am guessing that it will be unveiled he is officially the babydaddy of the child of Toni and it wasn't exactly a nice time had by all that brought him about before Ketch is dispatched.

I guess what I'm kind of saying that as much as I get the predictiblilty and Dabb's agenda I'm not exactly comfortable at the way Dabb and co are using sex this season.

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

"For me the idea of Ketch turning and just being unpredictable would make an interesting story because as you said he is basically a straight up moustache twirling villain. He's a psycho they have to stop but a useful psycho who possibly sees Mary in as much as a trophy as kindred spirit."

I guess he has a lot more that he could kill in the way of monsters than he does back home, so that would be a believable reason for him to change sides, but with Toni coming back . . . I don't really know what to think about Toni coming back. Neither do I know what to think about she and Ketch. Either their shared animosity for one another is a smoke screen, and they are still very much in unison, or their animosity for one another is real. I'm thinking that her having a child with Ketch will parallel Kelly having a child with Lucifer in some way though.

Toni could take Mick's place if he is relieved of his position or if Mick changes sides, or she could end up siding against Ketch and company if she's really frightened of Ketch (again not something I want to see happen. I don't want to see the BMoL or anything to do with them on my screen at all, but it is what it is at this point. I can live with Mick changing sides, but not the other two).

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

I don't know what to think about Toni coming back either - she's too much of a zealot to turn. And her position with Ketch, I don't know if she was as much frightened of him or disgusted by him. But I know what you mean about not what wanting to see her turn. Though Ketch may be interesting, Mick is the likely candidate.

But hey I'm still hoping that we have something like us finding out that the British men of letters is really the Thule (a la Hydra in Shield) because for me it would close some huge plot holes, which I know won't happen but hey a girl can dream.

But I can't get over the following plot holes

1) Why isn't the Judah initiative working with the Brits? You'd think a big Golem wandering around Berlin would create some waves in the supernatural community and the Thule in Europe would be a threat that is worth the Brits attention unless they aren't allowed to intervene because the Berlin house is against them.

2) Why didn't the Brits take care of the banshee that killed Eileen's parents and why did it go to America. Sorry Europe is closer and if no-one was actively hunting it why move at all, is there a Dublin house and if not did Europe seem too dangerous to go to? Say because there are european houses that would gank it?

3) Why did Delphine sit in occupied sodding France and wait for a US sub? At the time sure European chapter houses would have been out of the question but why not escape to the UK, its closer and the resistance was set up for it. Wouldn't one non occupied men of letters chapter house be as good as another considering the UK was not invaded by the Germans unless she didn't trust them

4) Why do the Brits call themselves the British men of letters, London chapter. Where are the other chapters, if there are none answer the above questions and not only that why describe themselves as the BRITISH men of letters. If there are no other chapter houses aren't they simply the men of letters? But if there are other chapter houses why haven't we seen them?

5) And why now to the states and not before? Unspoken agreement or is it the US is now so central to supernatural events that a power grab is in play.

Because I'll be honest if a little Belgian rugura turns up announces that they are a member of the Brussels chapter and they don't work with the Brits because they are trying aren't really in line with the rest of the men of letters would be interesting."

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

"Because I'll be honest if a little Belgian rugura turns up announces that they are a member of the Brussels chapter and they don't work with the Brits because they are trying aren't really in line with the rest of the men of letters would be interesting."

I'm hoping we'll get some of this from Eileen.

[–] fishpan (544) 8 years ago

I hope so too

[–] CluelessDrifter (884) 8 years ago

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[–] Virile Manifestation of the Divine (1020) 8 years ago

Love your whole analysis Clue. I kinda saw Ketch and Mary coming. Ketch's always seemed fascinated by Mary and well, Mary's a cult member who's drunk the BMOL Kool-aid. This was the next step for her .

I have an extremely low opinion of her already, which is why her being in bed with the BMOL's resident sociopath makes perfect sense for me. They're a great match and I hope they go down together, no pun intended.