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Real military procedures for such issues? - OT

posted 15 years ago by rodrick-brown
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I've always wondered if there we're any real documented military processes for such abnormalities or issues like this taking place in real life?

I.e. Them placing the boot on every car, military personnel such as doctors, scientists, soldiers, being air lifted in and seizing a community like this. I've tired searching the CDC website http://www.cdc.gov/ with not much luck.

Also does anyone know what really goes on at Plum Island?

"I came to chew bubble gum and kickass and i'm all out of bubble gum" - Duke Nukem

[–] rysgaard 15 years ago

1. Establish a containment perimeter

2. Military prescense, but not to eraditcate the infected. They are really there to obtain information to aid in futute incidences.

3. Destroy everything within containment perimeter after Military investigation is over

4. Cover up. Attempt to explain in the most feasable way. Who cares if it's not 100% solid. Just enough so that nobody can connect the dots and find out what really happened. Just rack up 1 more story for conspiracy theroists.

5. Keep the spotlight off of it by having the media pointed elsewhere as much as they can.

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[–] skater5147 15 years ago

The whole containment part is completely ludicrous, if a plane does crash in a water source any town will automatically shut off its water supply or issue some type of boil water warning(weather it works or not for trixi who knows), they do it now if they detect too much of a chemical. They will do that until it is verified there is no safety issue.

Also the military would have been on that plane crash with in an hour of it happening, with its sensors and beacons going off saying hey my pilot ejected here are my coordinates, and they do not nuke there own towns. I believe a chemical like this would have been transported by train and trucks like they do with spent nuclear reactors.

And the army does not refer to them selves under the general guise of the military, when the soldier in the barn said it was clear, the other soldier said lets move the military is moving out blah blah.

I did enjoy the movie however, they are just that, MOVIES not reality in any way.

[–] imdb-ary 15 years ago

That assumes the transponders did not get damaged, did not get water logged and noone screwed up back in hq.

What probably happened was this; first the plane crashed, they've got no fcking clue where it was, all they knew was it was near the town. Some eager junior analyst was probably like "Sir, we've got to warn the town and tell them about this virus!" Then the guy in charge will be like "Shut your mouth! We're not gonna let them risk leaking this to the press! Now quit your whining and find that fcking plane!".

But by the time they do, they find its already in the town water supply and its too late. So they take the information to the president, and he'll be like "We'll have to quarantine the population and screen them and try to save as many as we can. (heroic image here)" Then some general smoking a Cuban cigar will be like "Sir, we should nuke them now and contain the situation." Then some sinister advisor will be like "It'll be difficult to cover up a nuclear explosion, this will kill your approval ratings if this gets out." Then the president will be like "I've made my decision! Quarantine will proceed as planned and I want you, blond bald headed CIA guy, to take a black suv and be my personal eyes and ears on the ground."

But as you saw the situation went fubar and some idiot sheriff and deputy kills the CIA agent. Then the president will be like panicking because he can't get in contact with his guy on the ground. Then the redneck general will be like "Sir we've got to nuke them now while we have the chance!" The prez will be like "Ok fine!"

The nuke goes off, and everyone in the white house will breath a sigh of relief. Then suddenly an intern runs in and goes "Sir we have confirmation that two survivors have reached Cedar Rapids!" Then the advisor will be like "If word gets out we used a nuke on an american town because we accidentally infected it with a biological weapon...." Then the prez will be like *beep*

At least thats how I think thats what happened.

[–] Hubbinator 14 years ago

Damn.. I didn't want to say it and jeopardize my security clearance but.. that's actually what our protocol is. I don't know how you found out since it's such a b*tch to get to those docs. I will spill the beans on the fact that the junior analyst will be killed because he's undoubtably some young airman who still cares about "morals" (psshhh) and will be considered an opsec threat. Don't tell anybody I told you that.

[–] imdb-ary 14 years ago

Its alright son, I have a Yankee White security clearance. SNAFUs like this happens all the time, just keep releasing those NFIs while I distract these civies with this defense doctrine paper...

Blah blah Asymmetric Warfare Blah Force Multiplier Blah MOPP Distro Blah Blah NORAD Blah North Korea Blah Blah Sheep Blah Lasers Blah Steaks Blah Blah

In conclusion.... YAAH!

There ya go, we made it past the news cycle.

[–] Sully30 13 years ago

Yankee White, huh? So you work in the White House then.

LMAO - that was pretty funny!!

[–] imdb-ary 13 years ago

Thnx I had fun writing it =D

[–] JFox009 13 years ago

Best theory I've heard on the incident.

[–] Sully30 13 years ago

Yes there are. However, they are not documented in such a way that 99.9% of people in this country would ever see them. They range from quarantining an area (if it's small enough for CDC or the military equivalent, based at Ft. Detrick in MD) and dealing with the issue (if they are able to do so), to laying down a defoliant like napalm in mass quantities or firebombing the entire area to wipe out the "infected" area.

The thought being that it if something like Ebola were ever able to be transmitted in an airborne manner vs. physical contact or through the blood, it is better to take out SOME people vs. taking the risk that it can spread to the entire populace. Cold but true...something along the line of "the lives of the few outweigh the lives of the many."

As for Plum Island (the one off of NY, not the one off of Mass), you won't find it at the CDC because it is run by the US Dept. of Agriculture (www.ars.usda.gov/plum/), ostensibly to study infectious diseases in foreign animals (mad cow disease from England ring a bell??). It is a classified facility, and works in conjunction with DHS and other agencies as "the nation's first line of defense against foreign animal diseases" (from their web site).

Having said all of this, I would say that some of the stuff in the movie is dramatized for effect! But there ARE plans for these kinds of situations, unseemly as they are.

Hope this helps.

Sully

[–] moakley2 13 years ago

the American govenment no longer make, study or store biological weapons.
Any kind of out break would be handled by the CDC and homeland security.

[–] AtheistRevolution 12 years ago

FEMA/CDC actually deals with that.First step would be to contain any chemical,infectious disease,etc.I doubt they would go as far as nuking a whole town or city. They would most likely just seal the place off and grid to grid military grade flame throwers and/or contain infected people.

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[–] crazystef88 12 years ago

If you watch the special features on the dvd or blu-ray, the director explains that the quarantine procedures in the film are realistic since he had talked to members of FEMA and the CDC, but was taken further and heightened then what would actually happen. For example: the soldiers being given the order to shoot unarmed civilians and even those who weren't infected would probably not be something they will do.

[–] SparklingNugs 12 years ago

Check out Rex 84; Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a secretive "scenario and drill" developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of National Emergency".

[–] AlexJohan (390) 5 years ago

Look at Wuhan China. Closest case of full military control ref covid-19

[–] mobocracy (901) 4 months ago

I'd wager the plans are pretty broad and wrapped up in general civilian disaster response and disease mitigation. Even if there's no CBRN threat and its just a generic disaster, you still have real diseases like cholera and dysentery to worry about and contain.

But the specifics of the response to a CBRN event are going to be highly dependent on the specifics of the event. I could definitely see a highly infectious disease or toxin resulting in an enforced quarantine, though I think the military would do a lot more to mitigate civilian needs, even it was dropping off pallets of bottled water and MREs vs. just fencing people in, threatening to shoot them if they try to escape and hoping the threat burns itself out through attrition.