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So who's side were you on?


To be honest, I was on Gary's side.

I know how Brooke feels at the beginning about the dishes, she did prepare everything for company. But I feel bad for Gary the whole time.

He gone all day at work too. Sure he is lazy when he gets home. But I do not know many guys who offer to do the dishes. That's just how most of them are. I think that something as small as dishes shouldn't have turned into that. If Brooke would have just slowed her rage down, they could have worked out a comprimise.

Overall, I just didn't like Brooke how she was going on all those dates and bringing guys into the apartment. I don't think that is the answer.

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I haven't seen the movie, but if you throw someone away like they are a rag with sh*t on it, the future will not treat you too well. My ex is a good example. (I found it interesting that our divorce document, signed by a judge, has two absolutly verifiable lies on it that I did not cause to be put there.)

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Honestly, I could sympathize with both sides. I don't think they were a good fit for the long haul.

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honestly, i went back and forth the whole movie

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But, it wasn't really just the dishes that got Brooke upset. It was more that she just wanted some respect from him; some understanding from him that she worked hard all day, too, and that she worked hard for them once she got home as well. If he had tried to help her or contribute in ANY way, I doubt she would have said anything. However, he basically took it for granted that she was supposed to do all those things.

When she said, "I want you to WANT to do the dishes", she didn't just mean that. She meant that she wanted him to understand how much work she had put in to the dinner and to have him realize that he should pitch in as well. This is metaphorically related to their relationship, as well, in which she seems to be making all of the effort and he just takes her for granted.

Bringing the guys home was honestly just an effort to get Gary to notice and miss her, and eventually realize how much he needs her. She didn't go about it the right way, but I know many women who have taken similar approaches.

Gary finally got it right in the end, but by that point, it was too late. Although I could empathize with Gary (especially in the end), I totally felt for Brooke the entire movie.

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i can't believe brooke was with gary in the first place, he'w a self sentered prick!

I felt so angry with him the whole movie so i didn't enjou it much.

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"There's an Irish saying that goes something like: 'a woman can never let a man have a drink and a pipe in peace'.

I've never heard anyone use this expression in Ireland. Sounds like it's from Darby O Gill.

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Brooke only wanted to feel loved and be treated with respect, I understood Gary's side but of course...since I'm a woman... At parts I felt how Brooke did--it happened to me before but to a lesser degree.

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you put it perfectly. i was on brooke's side the entire movie. even at the end, i was like well . . . nice try but about 6 months too late. i would have kicked him out a lot earlier.

she worked, then had ot come home and cook, clean and entertain. im not saying gary should have done all of that, but definitely sharing the responsibility would have been nice. maybe if she didnt work 8 hours everday, then she should have been responsible for the house, but she worked. she didnt deserve to be taken advantage of. team brooke, definitely!

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thier crap was nothing new. i've seen couples have the EXACT same arguments, however they made up WAY before selling the condo. it takes a level of maturity to be able to work through those issues. they both had a lot of growing up to do.

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Brook's. He was an unfeeling clod.

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At first I was on Brook's side, but that didn't last for long. Even her best friend wasn't really on her side, saying things like "Did you think that was the way to handle it?" or "That's not exactly what I meant." kind of lines to point out how she wasn't applying the friends advice like the friend would have.

By the end of the Movie, Brook's character hasn't grown at all except from a career point of view where she feels empowered and accepted.

From a relationship point of view it's Vince's character that grows, learning that he's not really respecting other peoples perspective and doing things for them even if it's something he doesn't want to do.

In the last scene it's subtly implied with Brook's phone call where she has to make a meeting, she has grown, but not as a relationship partner, as a career person.

Certainly it could be said that she was ahead of him to begin with, in what she brought to the relationship, but certainly not in the communication area where she made the worse choices. His pool table move actually illustrated a past sticking point in their relationship, in which he did lose(compromise).

Where did her using his new bedroom as a studio, throwing his stuff out of the Bedroom, letting the closet maybe gay brother use her room just to annoy him, bringing other guys home, ever make any points about compromises she made that he didn't notice?

She may have been trying to fix the relationship at first, but she sure didn't have the right tools for the job.

I'm a much better partner than Vince's character, but if those are the kind of tools she'd employed to fix a problem in our relationship, I would have left.



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I'm a guy, and this makes sense to me blue.


Brooke was the victim throughout the movie while Gary had just one scene. Any guy would know that her bringing other guys back into the apartment is just an irrational attempt of hers to provoke his feelings. A good guy would have his feelings provoked but see for what it is: her trying to make him jealous. Jealousy is a mysterious thing though. An attempt to provoke someone else's jealousy says something about her feelings. If she had a hope for him to turn jealous it means that she still wants to repair things with him. Gary should have recognized that, saw it as a sign to take action in healing their relationship, and not that she had moved on. If she had truly moved on it wouldnt be worth the effort to walk around naked or the awkwardness of bring someone else home. Call it mind reading, or whatever you wish but a desire for your partner to try and understand your thought process without spelling things out is not an unreasonable request, imho.

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i can see both sides of the story
but i was more on brookes side of the story of how the fight started.
however, the WAY brooke handled the situation was so childish and not needed
she was far more harsh dealing with the situation then Gary was.


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i think i was on brookes side. but there were many times when i felt truely sorry for gary, especially when they chucked him off the bowling team. and after she went off with those guys, his face made me feel sad :(

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Vince for the emotional side
but Aniston deserved the Condo

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At first, Gary's side - and I'm a woman! I thought Brooke was a complete nag, and caused the argument that caused the breakup. I mean, women should know who they're getting when they enter a relationship, and I'm sure she knew that he was not the domestic type. Then after seeing the movie several times, neither of their sides. Both selfish and self-absorbed.

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The two most important scenes both illustrated what an absolute jerk Gary was. Here they are:

1. When Brooke was at the concert alone and came home crying. That was gut-wrenching and heartbreaking.

2. When Gary's friend was telling him (near the end) about how everything had to be his way and if it wasn't then he would have no part of it and that was "just who he is." It was definitely a light bulb moment for Gary, that not only did Brooke see him that way, but everyone who knew him saw him that way as well.

Sure, she made mistakes, but he was just so stubborn and unbending that they didn't have a chance. Like his friend put it, "she never stood a chance" because of the way he was.

I did feel just as bad for him when he made dinner at the end and set up the table so pretty. How sad that he didn't realize what a darn slug he was until too late.

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Why on earth would she deserve the condo? If they both put the same amount of money into it. then it should be even. I do not recall any mention in the movie of Brooke putting more money into it than Gary.

Both are at fault here, but Gary is who he is. When Brooke wants him to want to do the dishes she is being idiotic. He is willing to help, she should just be happy with that.

Part of the problem is that Brooke is an incredible control freak. She is prissy, needs a nicely decorated house, and a 12 lemon centerpiece. Getting upset about the lemons is just stupid. Gary could care less about what is in the center of the table. If she cares that much about her centerpiece she needs to tell him this beforehand, to make sure he understands the importance of 12 lemons and not three. Brooke makes the mistake of assuming he knows she is making a sacrifice for him, and then getting upset when he does not read her mind. She wants someone more intuitive, which is fine. Instead of changing Gary, however, she should find someone else if the issue is that important to her.

The college football/ballet issue is a major problem with Brooke, and it is a mistake many women make. She goes to a football game, something she does not want to do, in the hopes that in return he will go to a ballet. A much more intelligent solution is for him to go to a game with his brother and her to go to the ballet with a friend. For her to torture herself at a football game is absurd, as is for him at attend a ballet. The problem is that she does not tell him beforehand that she is going to the football game in return for a trip to the ballet. She wants him to realize(without her saying it) that she does things she does not like for him, and he should do the same for her. That is not a healthy way to approach relationships. She would have done much better explaining to him how she felt beforehand. Not torturing herself, assuming he knew she was torturing herself for him, and then getting angry when he did not want to torture himself to return the favor.

Gary is simple and direct. If she asked him to help with things he would, but he is content in a messy house, so it is pretty idiotic to assume he is going to step up and do something which holds little value to him without her asking.

You have to accept people for who they are. You can help change the way they behave, but you cannot change who they are. Brooke is such a self-centered control freak that she attempts to force him to change. If you are going to break up with someone over something you need to mean it. Doing so in the assumption that they will change because you are so special is a pretty absurd level of self-importance. If you throw down the gauntlet you need to accept the consequences.

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dan, Brooke did not want Gary to read her mind on every point. She was quite specific. She did not say, "Bring home some lemons". From the sound of their argument, she asked for twelve. When she was telling him this, he tried to evade his slackness by trying to make like it was stupid and petty to have the twelve lemons. If he really thought it was stupid, it would have been more acceptable if he did not come home with ANY lemons. But to be asked to bring home twelve, and only bring home three, and then debate how they don't need a center piece was total BS on his part. She asked him to take a shower so she would not be stuck still making dinner, opening the door, and trying to entertain. But he thought it was more important to to play video games and complain about his feet, as if he is the only one on his feet all day. Brooke also asked Gary to help her clean the kitchen, and he did not want to. He was extremely selfish. I DO agree that she should not go to the ball games if she does not like them, and that she should not expect him to go to the ballet, or even want to. Brooke did go over board with all this...going out with guys and stuff. But Gary evened the score by bringing chicks, who stripped, back to the apartment to play poker and smoke cigars. So he canceled out her childish behavior, at which point she felt she deserved, and even said that she was not innocent in all of this. It was lousy for him to SAY he would meet her at the concert and then not show up. That was fowl.

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dan3959 - you totally rock! I think the movie brings up a lot of gender war issues for which no one is really right and there are no real solutions. Your comment answers some of those issues with practical insight that really sounds good. Nice job.

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Amazing post! ^^

I agree. Can't change people!

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I was on Brooke's side. Gary was the typical image of a selfish and lazy *beep* You cannot defend Gary because of his gender. Rather he is a guy or not he could have made himself a lot more useful.

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Brook was a bitch. She took a childish approach and it back fired. I felt for her at the begining, but after she had Gary kicked of the bowing team I hoped she would have a brain aneurysm.

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In the end, Gary compromised. In the end, Brooke did not. She said she would have done it differently such as add a pool table. But then it was too late as she "decided" it was all over and had never given him what he wanted, at least in that area. The house was hers. Their time out was his choice.

"I want you to WANT to help!" - that does not mean anything to men. "I want you to WANT to help because it makes me feel good that you appreciate me and want to show me that by helping." - that makes more sense to men.

I've had that argument with my wife about mind-reading. The fact that we argue about mind-reading is in itself bizarre, but please spell it out for us, ladies. You'll be glad you did.

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