A fantastic example of a non woke non feminist female lead movie
It was a good movie that people loved wich shows you can make a modern female lead movie that's great!
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How can you possibly think this movie wasn't feminist? The absence of rants?
shareMay 29, 2020
Sorry dude, I must disagree with you - it's the epitome of a feminist film, just one made really well and smartly crafted. I would also say the same thing about its 2009 animated counterpart by the same title, which is also worth checking out; Aries is the antagonist in it too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression of feminism is not one where women dominate over men like a reverse pendulum swing, as has been historically been the case with men reigning over women culturally in many parts of the world during different periods; though one of social equality and even responsibilities, our differing biology notwithstanding.
A lot of it simply has to do with changes between cultures over periods of time. Having this context will help fill in that which we may have a harder time explaining when taking a cursory glance at the surface of something not so readily understandable at first.
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There was no backlash to Wonder Woman. On the other hand Captain Marvel had tons of it and even Brie got in on the action. WW is just a good movie about a confident and strong woman just like Ripley was in the Alien movies.
shareONLY DIFFERENCE IS BRIE MADE COMMENTS THAT UPSET A LOT OF THE VIEWERS AND GAL KEPTHER MOUTH SHUT...OTHERWISE..THEYRE PRETTY EQUAL FEMINISM WISE.
shareMay 29, 2020
Man, I need to check Captain Marvel out. I heard that some thought the pace was rather slow while others were thoroughly entertained. Looks like another case where our own opinion matters the most.
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"Captain Marvel" an enjoyable film, but not one of Marvel's best. I think some people also found Carol Danvers a problematic heroine, she's very no-nonsense and doesn't show a lot of feeling, which is understandable for someone who comes out of the test pilot culture where the attitude is "Shut up and die like an aviator*", and the Kree warrior culture. As such, some people didn't find her very likable, or feminine enough to be attractive.
Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman was likeable on all possible levels, of course, she was completely open about her feelings because she was completely fearless. That made her incredibly attractive, she was everything normal human beings wish they are, but aren't.
* Direct quote from "The Right Stuff", that was said over the radio to a pilot who was panicking because he was about to crash and die.
THAT IS A VERY FAIR POST...I AGREE...MY ISSUES WITH BOTH FILMS ARE UNRELATED TO THE ACTORS...BUT ALL IN ALL IN LIKE BOTH.
shareI liked "Captain Marvel", and absolutely adored "Wonder Woman".
Like I said, it presents a heroine who's everything I wish I was.
June 1, 2020
Your comment reminds me of a relevant anecdote I read online many years ago somewhere that I would like to share.
Once, at one of the Walt Disney theme parks, there was a boy who wanted to be a Disney princess. His request was granted, allowed to wear a tiara and dress, which he happily wore. Things went smoothly until the boy walked by an older "gentleman", who decided to make an unpleasant comment towards the young lad regarding the chap's looks. At that very moment, it just so happened one of the park employees, a Peter Pan actor, turned and said to the older man "Sir, I can't believe I'm saying this, but you need to grow up!"
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Best thing that ever came out of any Peter Pan's mouth!
Because Captain Hook has all the best lines.
June 1, 2020
Wow Otter, you've given me a lot to think about. Thank you for your reasoned insight! 😃
I will certainly give Captain Marvel a go now. There's an old joke in the US Military about how comfort is the enemy, that is, unless you're part of the Air Force division, lol.
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May 29, 2020
Wonder Woman is great.
Yeah... I have not seen Captain Marvel yet though plan to. In my honest opinion, a lot of the press between Brie Larsen and fan backlash could have been handled differently on both sides. I think a lot of it was blown out of proportion, particularly the criticism towards her comments. I will say that she could have phrased it much better to where it wouldn't come off as heavy-handed, whether it was her intention or not though. Hopefully, Larson listened to feedback that was constructive and dismisses the personal attack responses. This way, everyone feels like their voices have been heard without feeling stomped on.
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There are many different varieties of feminism. There is even one that finds it objectionable for women to participate in violence, wars, etc., since these are seen as primitive male behaviors that women shouldn't lower themselves to.
In any case, this movie was good because it didn't bonk the audience on the head with some preachy 'message.' It just told an entertaining story.
Like others have said, yes this IS a feminist movie - but it's feminist in the way of decent, justified feminism.
It doesn't descend into misandry (man-hating), which is precisely as stupid as misogynism (and Warrior Nun does this). Any type of sexism is silly.
WW is feminist first and foremost because it has a genuinely strong lead, and also because she is not objectified in any way. This feat is particularly remarkable because they also keep her nice, friendly, and beautiful, they even have characters noticing how beautiful she is - yet she's still NOT objectified. So they don't fall into the typical trap of either making the character overly feminine and over-sexed, pushed over and leered at, or rough manly and distant. No, she's thoroughly female, she even exhibits "typically female" attractiveness, kindness, and care (and picks a dress as her urban outfit!), but she's also a well-rounded person, with dreams, desires, attitudes, and a personal perspective on things.
Speaking of well-rounded, I actually had a discussion with my boyfriend about her chest plate. He thought it was a bit over-the-top how the tits stood out. Thing is that I've actually done some fencing in my life, and I know that, for a female, there's simply no other way to protect the breasts. You can't compress them under a flat chest plate because a fighter needs to be able to breathe properly, and you can't just make a big single bulge on the chest to cover both breasts because it would be uncomfortable and partially cover the field of view. So the breasts of the chest plate do stand out, but that's because - well, females have breasts, and in the middle of the chest nonetheless :)
Briefly put, she is presented as a human being - and that's what feminism should be about.
Part of what makes it different than most feminist films is that the male protagonist isn't depicted as an idiot. I seem to remember he was fun, charismatic and brave.
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