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[–] billbrown7071 8 years ago

it was probably a draw...The 4th round was dominate for Woodley....

But I had the 4th a 10-9 and the fight 3-2 for Wonderboy(48-47),I didn't think the 4th was a 10-8 simply because Wonderboy won the last minute and was on top when the round ended...

had Woodlley still had him in the Sub or had Woodley been on top on of Wonderboy still dominating when the round ended I would have gave it a 10-8...

But thats just my opinion...and I wont argue it because It was close to 10-8

I was disappointed in Wonderboy...he showed a real flaw tonight...we all know his An excellent counter striker and thats the way he loves to fight...but man he's got to be more aggressive than that and at least take some chances....Woodley was just standing against the cage for most of the fight and Wonderboy just wouldn't throw first, I get that he was waiting for Woodley to throw first so he can counter, but damn there comes a point when you got to start pulling the trigger...

I dont know if that is A flaw in Wonderboys game or if he simply couldn't pull the trigger tonight...I'll be curious to see if it continues in the rematch...

when he and his team watches the film of this fight, thats certainly the main thing thats going to stick out, Wonderboy not being able to pull the trigger and just waiting to counter...His teams is definitely going to see it was a problem, and should make adjustments for the rematch...but if Wonderboy does the same thing in the rematch then its obviously A big Flaw in is game and not just A bad night

Props to Wonderboy for surviving the 4th round though...damn

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

First off I thought something shady was going down when right in the middle of announcing the winner Bruce Buffer had to stop snd go down to get the right score cards. What? Then he annonces
Wodley is still champ with split decision. I didnt even realize it was turned into a majority draw till later. I thought it was a typo. What a rip off. What ever happened to beating the champion? Round 4 was an even more ferocious beat down than round 1 but round 1 was 10-8?
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[–] Kuato_and_George 8 years ago

is there a difference between a draw and a majority draw?

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

The real question is there a real difference between a Majority draw and a split decision. Seriously shouldn't a MAJORITY draw be a split decision and a SPLIT decision be a Majority Draw?
I thought it was suspicious how Bruce Buffer had to go back and get another score card just as hes announcing the winner.

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[–] chuckaroe2 8 years ago

A majority draw is 2 judges call it a tie and one judge calls a winner.

A split draw is that 1 judge scores fighter A the winner, one judge fighter B the winner and the third judge a tie.

A unanimous draw all three score it a tie.

A split decision is decision is where two judges give 1 fighter as the winner and 1 says it is a tie. Where the majority draw has 2 ties and 1 winner.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

Wouldn't you think 2 ties and a winner would be a SPLIT decision? IDK.
Just sounds ridiculous to me. Then theres a majority decision where 2 give it o on fighter and gives it to another. Regardless what I saw was Wonder boy did a good job scoring points but never had Woodly in danger and Woodley almost finishing the fight at least 3 times in 2 different ways and completely dominating the rounds he took. The rounds that went to Wonderboy he won by barely a few more strikes. I know its very hard to judge that fight but the ending was straight out of the Miss Universe Pageant.

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[–] Kuato_and_George 8 years ago

Wouldn't you think 2 ties and a winner would be a SPLIT decision? IDK.
Just sounds ridiculous to me. Then theres a majority decision where 2 give it o on fighter and gives it to another. Regardless what I saw was Wonder boy did a good job scoring points but never had Woodly in danger and Woodley almost finishing the fight at least 3 times in 2 different ways and completely dominating the rounds he took. The rounds that went to Wonderboy he won by barely a few more strikes. I know its very hard to judge that fight but the ending was straight out of the Miss Universe Pageant.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

I know I sound like a contradiction too cuz i really feel Thompson could have stopped him in the 5th. Woodley hung on pretty good but you can see he was deteriorating fast. He was never in any finishing danger like he had Thompson but he was so close to going down. If we had 7 rd main events and Title fights 2e definatley would have had a new WW champion. Fo sho!

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[–] My_Pot_Drank_My_Granny 8 years ago

A split decision is decision is where two judges give 1 fighter as the winner and 1 says it is a tie.

That's a majority decision.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

A split decision is decision is where two judges give 1 fighter as the winner and 1 says it is a tie.
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That's a majority decision.

I'm sure he just messed up and repeated what he already said was a Majority Draw. In my opinion though at no time was Wonderboy in a position to finish the fight while Tyrone had at least 3 good times where the fight could hae been stopped. I mean I commend Thompson for a gutsy performance and Its really a F'ed up situation the judges created. Not just damage. The ref really could have stopped it in the first and at least twice in the 4th. 2 and 3 Thompson won by so small a margin they really could have went to Woodley as 3 actually did in one of the score cards. Have you seen the fightmetrics? its insane. Statistically Woodley actually landed more over all and significantly.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/b80ef7cdc36ab48b

What sucks is they are gonna push on us another rematch and Woodley is begging for a super fight with either GSP or Conor. Thing is Woodley is good for some exciting fights but they are probably gonna waste him.

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[–] chuckaroe2 8 years ago

You're right I was ta king a break from grading some math homework and typed the wrong thing. On the plus side...I bet a student got an extra point or two?

I think that all this shows that there is too much subjective judging. I could understand a majority, but a split? I think if there is a split decision that says to me that very often someone is watching another fight or not scoring correctly. 2 judges say fighter A won and 1 says B? Really? Why? What was the third judge scoring if the other 2 scored for the other fighter? I'm not saying the third judge messed up. ..I'm saying that it could be a good thing to review so judges get better, the system gets better and the whole thing can be improved.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

You do bring up a good point that's kinda been swept by the wayside with all the excitement. The bad judging. I say bad others might say outdated and even others would say needs improvement. We all pretty much agree its been needing work for a while. I hate to get into the politics of it(even though that's mostly where my head is as soon as a card is announced)but there has been some improvement but its been slow and a turn towards boxing has always been dreaded. I'm for a better criteria. A different judging system where difficulty, damage and threat of finishing the opponent can be added somehoww. Hell Ive been ready for 5rds nontitle 7rds Title and Main Event. Keep the women at 3 5 and 5 for now at least. Good HW fights that go the distance would be few but how many fights in the other weight divisions that went the distance made you think if it just had another round or 2 we could see something spectacular? I really couldn't help but think that at the end of Woodley/Thompson. Woodley ws going down in the 5th and he knew he messed up with that guillotine. Rogan was yelling its deep but he had that arm in. Not saying it couldn't be done but that was a hell of a decision to make in the heat of battle right? Even if he had let go before he pulled guard he could have finished him as wobbly as Thompson was.
Sh!t Woodley was about to go into rd 6 on everybody in the cage when they took away his win.

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[–] dlancer 8 years ago

Well, there are three judges for that reason. A way to avoid these types of mixups would be to just add up all the scores from all three judges, and whichever fighter has the higher total wins. Instead, they count two judges and discard the one. If all judges agree, there's no one to discard. If all three judges disagree, like they did with Edgar/Maynard, then it's a split draw.

You'd think a pure draw would be nearly impossible to come by since it requires all three judges to score it a draw.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 8 years ago

The whole thing is just spiraling out of control. I mean I know you gotta take the good with the bad and theres been a lot of good and a lot of bad. People wana listen to Schaub and Sonnen now. That blew my mind!!
I don't know if it was here or somewhere else but good point. Theres 2 UFC events coming up and a huge Bellator event and that gets no nothing. Like that. UFC would clean up with a I'm Jeremy Stephens shirt if they did that kind of merchandising. A lot of ppl say it but why even have rakings? And if were going to ignore rankings then why not everyone? And if its just who fills the seats more then how many of those are we gonna get? Tip of the ice berg. I don't wana predict a sinking ship but they did sell in the middle of the night ala illuminati type. Crazy ass lieing going on, score cards, not defending titles. Am I making a mountain out of an ant hill or what? And Bisping is champ!! I hateed that I predicted his first match was gonna be Dan. That meant my theory...no suspicion had some weight. I'm not gona say conspiracys a foot but somethings a foot in Zuffa.

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[–] chuckaroe2 8 years ago

TitO. ..you are correct that it is becoming a circus. You are incorrect that something is up at ZUFFA. They don't own the UFC any more.

I think the UFC decided to sell about a year and a half before they did. So they did the smart thing got the drug testing to appear "more serious". Then they sold us entertainment fights. Not fixed but they created big stars that created big money. Rousey's loss was a small bump...Tate's win helped it, but she didn't fulfill the mouth role so they brought in Cyborg to boost WMMA.

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[–] dlancer 8 years ago

I'd say the conspiracy pretty much begins and ends with Conor. First they protected him, then they fast-tracked him to the title, then they allowed him to skip over an entire division to give him a second belt, all in the span of two years. Nate was the hickup, and now that Conor kinda got passed it, they have no intention of rehashing that one. You talk to Dana about it and he says no way for Nate 3. But even for the UFC, those monetary decisions seem out of the ordinary. Ahh, but then we find out there's a sale. It's all so obvious in retrospect.

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