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Conor doing what he does best...


...doing everything he can to avoid fighting at 145.

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Honestly what he's doing is giving away his defense for not paying the NSAC a ton of money.

This and the chair thing from the other press conference are only going to be used to show that he needs a "harsh punishment".

I just want this fight to get on so that Khabib can fight the winner before he isn't allowed in the US. lol

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Tyron threw the first stone, to be fair. And if he beats Eddie, the he won't need to avoid 145... That'll be the belt he drops. Lose and I think he might have to...

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Heard that after the first Diaz fight.

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Very true. I'd hope that in that situation, though, at 2-2 in his last 4, one win being a MD, some of his bargaining power is gone. Unless he were to complete the trilogy with Nate, I don't think there'd be a better payday for him than a title defense.

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If he beats Eddie, he'll sit on both belts while going for 170. By the time Conor is ready to fight again, so will either T Wood or Wonderboy, so it's all timed perfectly. He won't drop the 145 title unless the UFC makes him, and they probably won't if Conor demands they let him go for a triple.

If he loses to Eddie, who knows. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. After he lost to Nate he was supposed to fight Frankie, but nope.

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He just has belts, he is not a true champion until he actually defends them. That is how I have always viewed someone winning a title. Defend it then talk, he may have cleared the 145 division but he has only fought like 2 guys in the 155lb. He will probably duck Khabib, but with his ego you would thinking taking an unbeaten streak would be important.





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He just has belts, he is not a true champion until he actually defends them.


damn lol it truly is always going to be something...

first it was...

He's all talk lets see him in the UFC...

Then It was, Ok he won His first fight, Lets see If it continues.

Then it was, Ok, He beating Cans, Lets see him fight Top 10 fighters

Then after starching #5 Dustin Poirior, Its Ok, But He aint beating Aldo,Mendez or Edgar, watch what happens when he fights a wrestler...

Then He Beat Mendez for the Interim belt, Beats "The Wrestler", Then Its ok, but he's not the true champ tell he beats Aldo, good luck with that.

Then Its okay, so he beat Aldo and is the FW champ, But He's fighting Midgets, Lets see what happens when he fights someone his own size...

Conor then loses Diaz(who's not only his own size but bigger), Then its see "Told You" Conor cant only beat smaller fights, He CAN NOT beat fighters his own size or bigger, He'll never be a 2 weight champ


Then the unthinkible happens, Conor demands a rematch under the exact same Circumstances, same weight, against the same "Bigger" Opponent Nate Diaz...annnnnnd makes Great Adjustments and beats The BIGGER Man...

then Conor Fights Eddie at 155, "A Wrestler" who is at least Conor's size and Fighter whom almost everyone thought was going to be able to take Conor down and grind him out...

Conor destroys Eddie, and cements what he said he was going to do since the day he came to the UFC...2 weight world champ...

Now "its nope not impressed, he's got to defend them"

sorry, but there are no more moving the goal posts...Conor haters have done that for 4 years...

every step of the way they kept saying "Ya but let's see him do this"...and he just kept doing it and they would then have to move the goal posts...

Its over...if you feel the need to Keep Moving the goal posts so you never have to give Conor Credit, fine, If you feel he needs to defends both belts before you'll give him credit, fine thats your right...But if that is your opinnion, you and your opinion are NOW OFFICIALLY in a Small almost non existent minority ...

The Majority Now Gives Conor the credit he deserves, Your now in a class called "Bitter Enders" who just wont except it no matter what...

The Overwhelming Majority of MMA Fighters,Fans and Analysts agree the days of making excuses for every Conor win is over, The days of constantly saying "Ya but lets see him to this, then I'll be impressed" are OVER

Conor Literally set his legacy in Stone Saturday...can he had to that legacy? Yes...will defending the titles add to that legacy Yes, would it be impressive for Conor to defend both the FW and LW belt ? yes...

But Your simply batsh!t crazy if you think "he is not a true champion until he actually defends them" is a widely shared opinion now

^that is simply the opinion of someone who hates Conor...that opinion Is Now officially not shared by The Majority...

Conor is being universally praised by The Majority of MMA fighters and Analysts and if you asked them that very questions,ask them "Hey ya Conor's the FW and LW champ but it dont mean sh!t tell he defends them right"? They would look at you and say "you need help and they would then say you are clearly your letting your hate for Conor cloud your judgement"

bottom line, your free to think what every you want(although I'm not entirely sure you even believe what your saying), I' not entirely sure you or other hardcore Conor haters actually believe "he is not a true champion until he actually defends them", I think you are only saying it because at this point its the ONLY thing you have let...

at this point Conor haters only have 2 things left, and those 2 things are-

"well Conor may be the champ, but its not impressive because he cut the line and didn't earn it"

and Then your comment of "he is not a true champion until he actually defends them"

lol thats it, You guys have been forced to move the goal posts so many times...now all you got is "well Okay he's the champs but let see him defend them"

and of course that's hilarious because look how far Conor haters have fallen...They've literally gone from saying He'll never beat Top 10 fighters,Never beat A Wrestler,never beat Aldo,never beat A bigger Opponent To Having to admit okay he's the champ, but still not impressed....

"Ya I know I said Conor couldn't beat Top 10 fighters, couldn't beat Wrestlers, couldn't beat Aldo and couldn't beat bigger Opponents and I know that all backfired and Conor did exactly EVERYTHING I SAID HE WOULDN'T do...but I'm still not impressed now I'm changing it to He's got to defend the belts"

serious question, what would it be if Conor hypothetically defended the FW belt against Aldo in June, then defended to LW against khabib in November...

lol where would you move the goal posts to then?

would it then change to ..."Big deal anyone can defend the belt once, If Conor wants to impress me he's got to defend them MULTIPLE TIMES"



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Your simply batsh!t crazy if you think "he is not a true champion until he actually defends them"


You hit the nail on the head. These "You-Know-Who"-haters are straight-up batsh!t crazy. He said it best himself: Nobody is on his level and that fight with Eddie proved that. The 155 division is stacked and the belt jumps around because it's THAT competitive. But NOBODY has ever walked through Eddie like that. Not Pettis, not Melendez, even though both those were very close fights and could have gone either way. But "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" destroyed Eddie and he didn't even have a mark on his face. It's phenomenal how incredible his skills are, including his take-down defense. And that left is the touch of death...

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Now you see just how much of a difference size and reach make against Conor. You put Conor up against Aldo and Alvarez, and they get dispatched quickly. You put Conor up against Nate twice, much different story, and Nate is only like 6th or 7th in the division who isn't likely to be in the title picture.

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Now you see just how much of a difference size and reach make against Conor.


Now I see? How about that's exactly what I saw *before* the first Diaz/Mcgregor fight, and why I picked Diaz.

You put Conor up against Aldo and Alvarez, and they get dispatched quickly. You put Conor up against Nate twice, much different story, and Nate is only like 6th or 7th in the division who isn't likely to be in the title picture.


I don't know about you, but I think Nate's better than his current ranking and way better than his record, especially considering a lot of those decisions were b.s. robberies. Either way, though, I hope they do a trilogy.

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Sorry, but that ladder is too much for Nate at this stage. Three years ago, sure, but he doesn't have the motivation he used to have.

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Now you see just how much of a difference size and reach make against Conor. You put Conor up against Aldo and Alvarez, and they get dispatched quickly. You put Conor up against Nate twice, much different story, and Nate is only like 6th or 7th in the division who isn't likely to be in the title picture.


I'm sorry but did you just somehow find a way to make it sound like its not impressive that Conor Beat Aldo(The Former #1 P4P of Planet earth and Eddie Alvarez)

lol is that what I just heard?

"Yep, Not Impressed, Conor has reach, he should have beat them"

lolololololol

just so you how absurd that is...

Then No one should be impressed by Jon Jones either...

because as you said, He beat everyone, you Put Jones against DC,Glover,Evans,Rampage,Machida and He Beat them all(and Dispatched some of them Quickly) but you put Jones up against Gus, Much different story...

why? because Gus had a simlar size and reach to Jones...

so I just find it hilarious, that EVERYONE credits Jones as the best fighter in the world right now, and maybe the best ever...

yet You've now got to point with Conor that the only thing you can hate on him is, "Ummmmm Ya so what, He's Beat everyone, but Its not Impressive because He has size and reach"

lol yet no one seems to care about that with Jones...

and again you even have the exact same situation...

Jones beat everyone easily, but the struggled with A guy his own size with his own reach...

Conor Beats everyone easily, but then struggle with a guy BIGGER than him with A Longer reach...

in conclusion...

Your attempt fails miserably...you didn't realize the way you choose to hate on Conor also perfectly APPLIES to JONES..


PS I'm pretty sure If someone cared enough to do a study...It would be like that with Every fighter that has a reach...

I'm pretty sure if someone actually looked up Great Fighter With Long reaches...you would find that they all probably dominate fighters with shorter reaches and have had their hardest fights against fighters with similar reaches...basically Your trying to single Conor out, when the reality is its probably extremely common and we already know for on one Perfect example in JONES...

You simply can't be more dominate then Jones, yet He too had trouble and his hardest fight against an opponent with A similar size and reach....and its funny I didn't hear any one after saying "yep see, I'm not impressed with Jones wins anymore, see what happens when he fights fighters his own size"

Also, If Size and Reach were the end all be all...Then every champ in every division would be The fighter with The Size and longest reach...


to now say after Conor is a 2 weight champ, "Ya I'm not impressed, He should beat Aldo and Eddie, He's bigger" is simply pathetic...

I mean where were these people 4 years ago?

why aren't you and others saying this 4 years, why weren't you saying "Yep this new Guy fought in the ufc today, His name is Conor Mcgregor, He's Bigger than other FW's and has a reach, so he's going to be a Champ, He's going to beat The P4P #1 Jose Aldo, He's going go 8-1 with 6 KO's, He Then going to go up to LW and Beat The champ there to and Its because he should since he's got a reach and size advantage"

lol why weren't you saying this all along, Instead Conor haters doubted everystep of the way, Predicted him to lose every step of the way and moved the goal post after he won...

If Conor's reach and Size is really such an advantage, then you and others should have been saying from day 1 he's a future champ, You shouldn't have been saying, watch what happens When he fights top 10 fighters, watch happens when he fights a wrestler, watch happens when he fights Aldo...

Conor literally said from day 1, He was going to destroy the FW division, Beat Aldo then Go up and Win the LW belt and become a 2 weight Champ....and no one believed him, everyone made fun of him...

if you really thought his reach and size was such an advantage, than you should have been saying from the beginning, "Hey with this guy's reach and size, its possible for him to beat everyone at FW, beat Aldo and Then win The LW championship like he's saying"...

but you didn't, you only said it ONCE Conor achieved it...and the reason you didn't say it is because You didn't think Conor would actually do it, You didn't think his reach and size would be A big enough advantage that would allow him to beat everyone at FW,Aldo and Then beat LW's...



just admit it, your only saying and bringing up Conor reach and size because you have nothing left.

He's done everything he said he was going to do, kept beating fighters that EVERYONE thought and Predicted he was going to lose....and Now your simply at a place where you got to say "Okay so he beat all these fighters, So what, he's bigger"

lol do you know Conor was Picked by 20 of 21 professional fighters to lose The Diaz rematch...

Conor was picked by The Majority of Professional Fighter to Lose The Mendez,Aldo and Eddie Fights...

and Conor Was ONLY Slightly favored to win in The Mendez,Aldo and Eddie fights By The Odd Makers...

what that means is, people knew about Conor's Size and Reach...Professional Fighters knew about Conor Size and reach, and STILL THOUGHT he was going to lose...

I'm sorry but you can not then claim after he wins "Nope He's bigger, he should have won, I'm not Impressed"

you could have, had the overwhelming Majority felt the same way...If going into the Aldo fight, If Like 80% were saying, Conor's Size and reach is going to easily win him this fight, If going into the Eddie fight, If 75% were picking Conor because he was the bigger man and had the reach, then yes you'd have every right to say "so what he should have won, he was bigger"

but in all of these fights, you had Professional Fighters,coaches and Analysts, looking at these fights, studying these fights and they 100% knew Conor was bigger and had a longer reach and they Still picked Conor to lose these fights, They studied these fights knowing Conor had the reach and size and still didn't think it was a bigger enough advantage to pick Conor to win...

Conor was the underdog In The Mendez,Aldo,Diaz II and Eddie fights among Professional Fighters,Coaches and Analysts, they all knew Conors size and reach going into those fights...yet they still didn't pick him

thats Kills your "Hes bigger he should have won excuse"

If that was the case, Conor would have been favored in every fight by Professional fighter,coaches and analysts







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Seriously, you need help.

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Your simply batsh!t crazy if you think "he is not a true champion until he actually defends them"


Wow you found that in that post?

Any way give Conor his due but you cant get MMAth on me now. Is he gonna fight again? Who? When? Hes the most active? We already got a FW interim. Why where they fighting at 170? Is Conor trying to size up Woodley or is the UFC trying to get its belt into guys they can control? How crazy do you think or is everybody just gonna come run and tell us what somebody else said? Post podcasts and snipits? Post a fight link. I saw the biography Choke on this board..man I don't even know ho to finish that sentence really.

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You crack me up, Tito. Anywho, I think he should either fight Aldo, Nate, or Khabib. All of whom he will beat. Or retire and fight Mayweather.

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He just has belts, he is not a true champion until he actually defends them. That is how I have always viewed someone winning a title. Defend it then talk


so it matters absolutely zero to you that Conor is 5-0 in Title Fights?

lol according to you it means nothing and you'd be more Impressed if he was 2-0 where he won the title and then defended?

Conor Won The FW Title in Cage Warriors

Then The LW Title in Cage Warriors...

Then Beat Mendez for The Interim FW Title.

Then Beat Aldo For The FW Title

Then Beat Eddie For The LW title..

5-0

and your literally saying that means nothing....lol


I think I just proved my point, but in case I haven't let me just kick the door in.

You whole point is, You aren't impressed until Conor defends a belt, so basically Your saying according to YOU and I guess your even suggesting according to others too if Conor really want to accomplish something he needs to make a title defense...

ok, now let me crush that.

JDS Won the title and then defended 1 time and then lost it...If you asked 10 knowledgeable MMA people which is more Impressive, which is the better Accomplishment, Junior winning and defending the belt 1 time, Or Conor Winning BOTH the FW and LW at the same time...Literally 10 out of 10 will say Conor's accomplishment is Levels Better, Right now if Junior and Conor Never Fought Again, Conor would go down as the better and more accomplished fighter...

RDA Won The Title and then defended 1 time and then lost it, if you asked 10 knowledgeable MMA people which is more Impressive, which is the better Accomplishment, RDA winning and defending the belt 1 Time, Or Conor Winning BOTH the FW and LW at the same time...Literally 10 out of 10 will say Conor's accomplishment is Levels Better, Right now if RDA and Conor Never Fought Again, Conor would go down as the better and more accomplished fighter...

Pettis Won The title Then defended 1 time and then Lost it(He's also a former WEC champ) but if you asked 10 knowledgeable MMA people which is more Impressive, which is the better Accomplishment, Pettis winning and defending the belt 1 Time, Or Conor Winning BOTH the FW and LW at the same time...Literally 10 out of 10 will say Conor's accomplishment is Levels Better, Right now if Pettis and Conor Never Fought Again, Conor would go down as the better and more accomplished fighter...

Renan Barão and TJ Dillashaw both won The title and defended(Barao 3 times), but if you asked 10 knowledgeable MMA people which is more Impressive, which is the better Accomplishment, Barao and TJ winning and defending the belt , Or Conor Winning BOTH the FW and LW at the same time...Literally 10 out of 10 will say Conor's accomplishment is Levels Better, Right now if TJ, Barao and Conor Never Fought Again, Conor would go down as the better and more accomplished fighter...

lol so dear god I hope you get the point, Defending the belt isn't the end all be all...

Had Conor chose to defend the belt(like your suggesting) if he won, It would have been looked at as a MUCH LESSER Accomplishment, Winning The 2nd belt Is A much more Impressive accomplish and that is proven through history

Defending the belt is great, Its important, but to say Conor's not a true champ or try to somehow diminish what Conor did by suggesting he needs to defend a belt before he'll be recognized is simply absurd...

I just named 5 fighters who did exactly what you said, who defended their belts and None of them are seen in the same league with Conor, none of their Title defenses are seen as the same level of accomplishment as want Conor did...

The facts are simply....If Conor defended His FW, it would have went down as a title defense and nothing more, just a good accomplishment, nothing special...

But By Conor Winning the LW belt at the same time, He instantly became a legend, His accomplishment of winning 2 belts instead of defending 1 belt is MUCH Higher...

your argument holds no weight and it holds no weight because we literally have proof, that winning belts in 2 difference weight classes is the much bigger accomplishment than defending the belt in 1 weight class...

whats the first thing you hear when Randy Couture and BJ Penn's names are mentioned, they are Immediately recognized as being The only 2 fighters to win belts in 2 Different weights, Its the very first thing anyone mentions when discussing them, Its Iconic, The Accomplishment is legendary...

How many time have heard some introduce JDS,Pettis or RDA as "Remember He defended the Belt 1 time"

Former champs get introduced as Former Champs, Not "The Former Champ that defended the belt"

Defending the belt is common, so common its almost not worth mentioning...

Conor now Is In the BJ and Randy Legendary status but better, He's ALONE in his accomplishment of winning 2 belts at the same time.

you are more than within your rights if you want to judge Conor solely on if he defends a title or not...

But just know if you do, Your in an extremely small minority, almost no one, especially in the MMA community is gonna look at Conor going 5-0 in championship fights and Being the only fighter ever to win 2 belts in 2 different weight classes and say "Yep I'm not impressed until he defends them" No one else is gonna say "Nope I'd be more impressed he he defended the FW belt, Instead of winning the FW and then Winning The LW belt."

Conor's accomplishment of winning The FW and LW belt at the same time, Will be looked at a bigger and better accomplishment than almost any title defense...

You really got to get into the the great Runs of all time for people to consider it a bigger accomplishment, You got to get into Silva's 11 straight defenses,GSP's Run or Mighty Mooses run...

You defend the title that much, that many times...thats when defending the title adds to your legacy...that when People will say their Defenses are more impressive than Conor's winning 2 belts...But other than that, your crazy...

Simply defending the belt is in no way bigger or a better accomplishment than Winning 2 belts...defending the belt 7,8,9,10 + times...fine now your talking, but your crazy to think Conor simply defending the belt one time would make him a true champ or would be A better accomplishment than him winning 2 belts...

Conor winning the second belts is probably 10X more valuable than A simply title defense


lol your just really stretching it now, which is your right but Its truly SAD at this point


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