Kept saying Ronda ain't about that life - The Ultimate Fighter (2005) Discussion

[–] liverpool26 8 years ago

She's an idiot for trying to box amanda, she should've gone for the take down.

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

She wasn't even trying to box amanda. She was just there for the paycheck. Turns out the price of human dignity is a crisp 3 million dollar check.

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[–] J-Street1 8 years ago

I don't think it would have mattered. Ronda started backing up from the second the first hard right hand landed. After that, she was hunted down.

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[–] mikebourkefan 8 years ago

if Ronda Rousey fights again she has to remember the Judo and Brazilian jiu jitsu skill that won most of her fights. start taking her fights to the ground again and going for submission moves. then step two become a more technical striker rather then only power punches and knees that gave Ronda three wins by tko\ko. last point if Ronda does do more acting she should work action and horror movies

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[–] AnotherCleverName 8 years ago

It's amazing how her stand up was actually way worse this time around. I don't if she was disinterested or just not very smart, but she should've gone right for the takedown.

Gotta give credit to Nunes though, her power is legit, and she tagged Rousey.

~I know that I know nothing.~

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[–] mistedshadow 8 years ago

I thought she was spending the year off working on her stand up. She didn't eve have a decent stance. No defense, no offense. All Amanda had to do was punch hard and she took her out. I don't get it, I thought Ronda had more pride than that.

Anyways, congratulations to Amanda, she is awesome.

Placing trolls on ignore makes the board so nice :)

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[–] billbrown7071 8 years ago

dear god...that was the single most embarrassing sporting event I've ever seen...and I say sporting event instead of fight because I truly can't think of anything in any sport worse or more embarrassing than what just happened in that fight...

I've said ever since Ronda lost to Holly that when she came back if she wasn't mentally right, that it would look similar to the Lesnar/Overeem fight, where it was just obvious she never should of came back and didn't want to be there...

but dear god, It was Literally 50 times worse than that...lol Lesnar looked scared, Hesitant and eventually just turtled up and waited for the fight to be stopped...I didn't think it could get worse than that, I thought Rousey might look the same way...

But jesus, she literally never landed a punch, got hit and hurt with the first punch Nunes threw, instantly froze, then got lit up by 35 unanswered brutal shots to the face...

worst of all she literally showed absolutely no improvement at all anywhere from the 400+ days she had been off...

every single thing that happened and went wrong in the HOLM fight happened here but faster, every flaw Ronda had in her striking in the Holm fight was exactly the same in this fight...Zero head movement, head directly on the center line, throwing wide,looping amateur style punches...

literally it was the absolute worst possible outcume...going into this fight, you literally couldn't have imagine it going this badly if you tried...I did, I truly tried to imagine a worst case scenario, and what I imagined was Lesnar/Overeem...

My god her coach Edmond is literally a career killing machine....UNLESS

PS I don't like Ronda so this didn't really bother me...Just shocked by how Badly it truly went

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvnCa9B1pA-New Sig

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

Can't believe people used to say she could beat Mayweather.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Can't believe people used to say she could beat Mayweather.

Ronda would kill Mayweather in MMA and nobody ever said she could out-box him, so get your sh!t straight, noob.

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

When I came to this forum last year on my real real account, you said as much. Hell, I remember you saying something like Ronda could beat plenty of men in the men's division on the Ronda Rousey board. Good stuff.

And in my experience, it's only the "noobs" who ever thought Ronda was invincible and had actual striking game. She doesn't. And last night proved this . . . again. People like to trash Edmund (and he truly is a *beep* trainer), but there's a video of him telling her outside the ring to use more head movement and clinch before screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 

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I agree. Rowdy would destroy everyone from #5 down. As for above #5, well, who knows?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3313925/board/flat/240934067?d=241000441#241000441

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

I agree. Rowdy would destroy everyone from #5 down. As for above #5, well, who knows?

In the 135-pound division, currently, I think she still could do that, even after this defeat. Not only that, I think Nunes could beat everyone under #3 right now in the men's division. And yes, you are a "noob", because you don't understand that the primary advantage men have against women in a fight is their weight advantage, which is nullified when they weigh the same. Retard.

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

In the 135-pound division, currently, I think she still could do that, even after this defeat.

And yes, you are a "noob"

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EDIT: Oh wait, I didn't even catch this part:

you don't understand that the primary advantage men have against women in a fight is their weight advantage, which is nullified when they weigh the same.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Apparently it's a slow day over on the Naruto message boards... But regardless, be sure to let me know when you can muster up an actual counter-point or something. Thanks in advance!

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

Hey tcob, lemme ask you a question. If Ronda Rousey had to fight a 135 pound chimpanzee, who would win? 

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Hey tcob, lemme ask you a question. If Ronda Rousey had to fight a 135 pound chimpanzee, who would win?

I think everybody knows that your mother weighs A LOT more than that... Regardless, isn't there a new Full Metal Alchemist trailer that you should be fapping to?

[Rhetorical]

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

Mom jokes? lol. Can you say total meltdown? 

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Mom jokes? lol. Can you say total meltdown?

Cute emoticon, cupcake, but seriously, how many orgasms have you had whacking off to the Ronda vs Nunes video since last night? Be honest...

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

And the meltdown continues.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

And the meltdown continues.

Of course your computer is melting down, I'm surprised your keyboard still works after all the baby-batter you've spilled on it...

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[–] liverpool26 8 years ago

you are a "noob", because you don't understand that the primary advantage men have against women in a fight is their weight advantage, which is nullified when they weigh the same

Do you know more about female MMA than Rousey and Tate?
I doubt you do and they have both said Falon Fox the transgender fighter has (and I quote Rousey) "an unfair advantage over women" now Rousey thinks a man who has had his bits cut off and been on female hormones for a decade has an unfair advantage against women the same weight, but your saying a man who still has his testicles, who hasn't been weakened by female hormones and lack of testosterone has no advantage.
So your saying you know more than Rousey, Tate and Rogan. What makes you more knowledgeable than these professionals?

Rousey basically says: a man after puberty has an unfair advantage due to the male bone and muscle structure, this cannot be reversed by giving him female hormones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tXP17GgqU

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Do you know more about female MMA than Rousey and Tate?

Unlike yourself, apparently, I know it's called "Women's MMA" or WMMA for short.

I doubt you do and they have both said Falon Fox the transgender fighter has (and I quote Rousey) "an unfair advantage over women" now Rousey thinks a man who has had his bits cut off and been on female hormones for a decade has an unfair advantage against women the same weight, but your saying a man who still has his testicles, who hasn't been weakened by female hormones and lack of testosterone has no advantage.

Two (or three) fighters saying something doesn't magically wave a wand and change reality, nor does it mean it's proven by science. As for your argument, I'd counter with several scientific facts, but honestly, I don't think it's worth wasting my time. Two (or three) people said something that confirms your pre-existing biases, and that's that, so I doubt any scientific facts I cite will change your opinion, something which you prefer to have spoon-fed to you, rather than do your own research and come to your own conclusions. If I'm wrong, though, I'll happily have a discussion with you about the advantages/disadvantages between male/female fighters, if you are so inclined...

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

Hey tcob44, how about answering my MMA question?!?! Ronda Rousey vs a 135 pound chimp. They both weigh the same, so the chimp has no inherent advantage, right? Ronda destroys the chimp, right? 

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[–] liverpool26 8 years ago

Tcob44 is obviously extremely retarded or insane (maybe both) and certainly has delusions of grandeur.

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[–] Perfect-Prosecutor 8 years ago

Based on my encounters with him on other boards, I think he is really really really in the tank for Ronda Rousey. I suspect I've seen him on sherdog in the past (before they ran him off that site anyway).

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[–] liverpool26 8 years ago

Lmao so several professionals saying the same thing means nothing, BUT when YOU some random person on the Internet says something it should be taken as gospel. So WHY SHOULD I TAKE YOUR OPINION OVER PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS AND UFC COMMENTATORS? Once again what makes you more qualified than professionals? You've even made a post claiming you know more than professional referee.

Everytime someone says something on here you completely ignore their valid points and call them a "noob" now I quote the pro's and you say their opinion is irrelevant . You're obviously insane and think you know more than everyone in the world about everything.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Lmao so several professionals saying the same thing means nothing, BUT when YOU [blah-blah-blah]

A simple "No, I'm not interested in hearing about scientific facts that challenge my pre-existing biases" will suffice next time. FYI, I guess...

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[–] P-K-One 8 years ago

The only thing that could justify this fight would be a serious back injury.

Rousey tried for takedowns twice. But both were really bad high takedowns and those simply do not work against boxers. If there is one thing boxers are good at it is moving their upper bodies out of the way of trouble. So it was stupid to even try anything like that.

The way I see it there are just two possibilities. Either Rousey is literally the most stupid and incompetent fighter in the history of, well, history and completely incapable of learning from her mistakes...or she had a serious back injury and was incapable of bending her torso.

I'm not defending her and I am not claiming that she certainly was injured. It just seems so unimaginable to me that anybody would be this stupid and incompetent. I mean, if I had 400 days to train and enough money to higher the best trainers in the world I could deliver a better performance than that. And that is not because I am so awesome :) I am certain I would get my ass handed to me...but I think I would manage to evade or block at least one punch.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

The only thing that could justify this fight would be a serious back injury.

Rousey tried for takedowns twice. But both were really bad high takedowns and those simply do not work against boxers. If there is one thing boxers are good at it is moving their upper bodies out of the way of trouble. So it was stupid to even try anything like that.

The way I see it there are just two possibilities. Either Rousey is literally the most stupid and incompetent fighter in the history of, well, history and completely incapable of learning from her mistakes...or she had a serious back injury and was incapable of bending her torso.

I'm not defending her and I am not claiming that she certainly was injured. It just seems so unimaginable to me that anybody would be this stupid and incompetent. I mean, if I had 400 days to train and enough money to higher the best trainers in the world I could deliver a better performance than that. And that is not because I am so awesome :) I am certain I would get my ass handed to me...but I think I would manage to evade or block at least one punch.

Maybe she did have a back injury, never really considered that. Personally, I think her main problem is her boxing coach. Ronda is loyal to her friends to a fault, literally. Maybe Edmond is a good friend, but coaching-wise, nobody seems to improve their boxing skills under his coaching and as far as I know, he doesn't have any boxing prodigies. Just imagine what other coaches could have done with her boxing skills in the same amount of time??? She would probably have gone her entire career undefeated...

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[–] P-K-One 8 years ago

Maybe Edmond is a good friend, but coaching-wise, nobody seems to improve their boxing skills under his coaching and as far as I know, he doesn't have any boxing prodigies.

Although that certainly is true I also think it matters little. I mean, no sane person expected Rousey to win a stand-up match against Nunes. Her only chance was to get it to the ground. Go in, clinch, takedown, ground fight. So if her boxing is good or not is irrelevant because she never should have boxed in the first place.

And her movements in that fight just reminded me of the time I had a bad landing in the airborne. I screwed up the roll after the landing and heared a crack in my back. The doc told me that I had seriously overextended a tendon and possibly blocked a vertebrae and that it would heal on its own given enough time. For the next 3 months I was walking around like Frankenstein's monster. I could not turn or bend in my lower back.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Although that certainly is true I also think it matters little. I mean, no sane person expected Rousey to win a stand-up match against Nunes. Her only chance was to get it to the ground. Go in, clinch, takedown, ground fight. So if her boxing is good or not is irrelevant because she never should have boxed in the first place.

I agree, I didn't expect her to win a stand-up fight with Nunes, nor Holly, but I certainly expected her to box better than she did, especially since she went to Edmond specifically to improve her boxing skills. I mean, let's be honest, what sane person would expect someone to have NO SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT in boxing after three years under a boxing coach?

And her movements in that fight just reminded me of the time I had a bad landing in the airborne. I screwed up the roll after the landing and heared a crack in my back. The doc told me that I had seriously overextended a tendon and possibly blocked a vertebrae and that it would heal on its own given enough time. For the next 3 months I was walking around like Frankenstein's monster. I could not turn or bend in my lower back.

Maybe that's why she couldn't hip toss Nunes. Or maybe Nunes' brown-belt in judo was good enough to thwart the hip-toss. If it's the former, though, I doubt Rousey would admit to fighting injured, so we may never know unless someone in her camp says otherwise... Regardless, thanks for actually having knowledgeable comments about the fight, it's a breath of fresh air around here today.

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[–] P-K-One 8 years ago

Yeah, it is a refreshing change to have a reasonable discussion.

And in the spirit of that...what Rousey did was not a Judo throw. The one serious takedown attempt we see is...wrong. Wrong in the sense that the body mechanics are wrong.
I don't know how your level of experience in Judo, Jujutsu or throws in general is. But to explain it in a very simple way the classical Judo throw works buy pushing your hips into your opponent below their center of gravity. As long as your center of gravity is over your legs, you are stable. If your center of gravity is over open air, you are falling. If I control the space under your center of gravity, I own you. There are variations...using your legs instead of your hips, attaching yourself to your opponent to basically create a new combined body...but controlling the ground under the center of gravity is the key essence of all those throws.
With that in mind, watch the take down attempts. Rousey only ever tries to move down in one of them and even that one she bends at the hips, moving her hips out of the clinch instead of into it. That means that Nunes can stay grounded while Rousey's center of gravity moves forward and away from her hips. That is a classical beginner's mistake. That is a reversal in a giftwrap. The only reason Nunes did not take Rousey down in that was because she felt more comfortable standing.

I am at a loss for words. It was just the most disappointing fight I have ever seen. It was just sad.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Yeah, it is a refreshing change to have a reasonable discussion.

And in the spirit of that...what Rousey did was not a Judo throw. The one serious takedown attempt we see is...wrong. Wrong in the sense that the body mechanics are wrong.
I don't know how your level of experience in Judo, Jujutsu or throws in general is. But to explain it in a very simple way the classical Judo throw works buy pushing your hips into your opponent below their center of gravity. As long as your center of gravity is over your legs, you are stable. If your center of gravity is over open air, you are falling. If I control the space under your center of gravity, I own you. There are variations...using your legs instead of your hips, attaching yourself to your opponent to basically create a new combined body...but controlling the ground under the center of gravity is the key essence of all those throws.

I don't have much experience with judo/jiu-jitsu, other than a basic understanding of the principles and watching many MMA fights (all my two decades of MMA experience is JKD, specifically levels dealing with boxing, kick-boxing, and muay-thai, as well as some grappling and joint-lock stuff). I would like to learn some judo and/or jiu-jitsu, but I'm not as young as I used to be, if you know what I mean. I figured her throw attempts were judo moves, but I didn't notice her center of gravity was wrong, so yeah, maybe she was injured. That said, do you think it was a poor execution from being rocked? I do know body mechanics go haywire when you are half-concussed, so maybe that was the issue, I don't know. But yeah, I was a little bummed that after a year off training and looking in phenomenal shape, she didn't perform better. Part of which I really think is her boxing coach, because her strategy was completely wrong for Nunes. But anyway, on the flip side, watching No Love dethrone Cruz made up for Ronda's loss, so I was at least happy about that part of UFC 207.

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[–] billbrown7071 8 years ago

also Conor Mcgregor just became even more powerful...

Rouey's career is over, Dana has gone to extremes trying to say Ronda is still the biggest star in MMA...I'm sure Dana and WGM desperately wanted Rousey to win tonight so they could have Anonother Superstar back...having Rousey has champ and headlining PPV's 2 or 3 times a year, would give the UFC and Dana a hand to play in negotiating with Conor...

Now its just over...Conor is EVERYTHING to The UFC...they don't have another fighter on the roster now that can sell 500 K PPV's let alone 1 Million...

Big night for Conor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvnCa9B1pA-New Sig

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[–] Leveticus 8 years ago

She might've won the fight if she hadn't kept her terrible coach around. Repeated the same mistake from her last fight.

*SIGH*

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[–] AnotherCleverName 8 years ago

Yeah, the fact she didn't fire Tarveydan is a joke, if his prefight/in-fight advice is anything to go by*, he learned nothing from the Holm fight and actually wanted Rousey to stand and trade with Amanda:

Tarverdyan: Make her miss, miss, miss! Ronda, make her miss!

Second cornerman: Be patient. Pick your moments

Fight starts. Tarverdyan: Head movement! Head movement! Head movement! Head movement! Head movement! Head movement! Head movement!

Tarverdyan: Yes, move!

Rousey is already taking a few punches at this point, unable to properly defend. She continues to take damage as the following takes place.

Tarverdyan: Hands up! Hands up! Hands up! Catch her! Clinch! Second cornerman: Get to the head!

Rousey is unable to get the clinch, starts taking worse damage as Nunes lands some power shots.

Tarverdyan: Head movement! Good job! Jab!

Rousey is unable to establish the jab or fight back. She takes a defensive position with a high guard on her left side as she continues to take more punishment.

Tarverdyan: Move, move! Come on, please!

Rousey starts to move to her left as more shots keep coming.

Tarverdyan: Move, move, move! Clinch, clinch, clinch, clinch, clinch, clinch!!

Nunes finishes Rousey, makes the shushing sign as she walks triumphantly around the cage.

Tarverdyan: NO! NOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOO!! NOOO!! NOOO!! NO! NO!!

Nunes makes her way to Tarverdyan and says a few things before popping her head out of the cage to say a few more bon mots. Edmond remains quiet during this part.

Tarverdyan: (as Amanda walks away) Move, (unintelligible)… move! *beep*!

http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/transcript-heres-what-coach-edmond-told-ronda-rousey-during-ufc-207/

I mean, besides the fact she clearly learned nothing as far as a stand up game goes, the entire focus should've been on getting the clinch.

~I know that I know nothing.~

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

She isn't a fighter anymore, she was just doing this for her contract. She has no desire to fight she just not into it anymore, time for people to let her go.

STFU you didn't say sh!t before the fight. Hindsight is 20/20, so why don't you go back to your comic book movie boards with the other teenage retards where you belong.

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[–] legendkillinpeopleschamp 8 years ago

Right...who are you?

Anyways maybe you should check the Amanda Nunes vs Ronda Rousey thread, if you can read you will see.

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Right...who are you?

Someone who's forgotten more about MMA than you know. Sorry. And where exactly where you saying all this about Ronda? Kind of funny you never said sh!t until after the fight.

Anyways maybe you should check the Amanda Nunes vs Ronda Rousey thread, if you can read you will see.

LOL! Oh, you mean this "prediction":

"I don't think Ronda has the spirit anymore, probably just needs to finish out her contract. Maybe she has something to promote too."

Pretty vague, don't you think?

[Rhetorical]

I mean, seriously, you didn't even make a prediction, retard...

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[–] AnotherCleverName 8 years ago

So, you're a total nuthugger, eh?

~I know that I know nothing.~

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

So, you're a total nuthugger, eh?

If by "total nuthugger" you mean to say a MMA fan and someone who appreciates exceptional fighters/fighting skills, then yeah...

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[–] AnotherCleverName 8 years ago

Yet you're defending Rousey, an outstanding judo practitioner but flawed MMA fighter, like your life depends on it, like a total nuthugger.

~I know that I know nothing.~

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[–] tcob44 8 years ago

Like I already said, I also know that you know nothing, but thanks for confirming anyway...

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[–] AnotherCleverName 8 years ago

Clever, yet you've contributed literally nothing of substance, aside from asserting your ignorance of what a good stoppage looks like.

~I know that I know nothing.~

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[–] VirtualMark 8 years ago

Well, good riddance to her. She was a one trick pony with a terrible attitude to other fighters. I never liked her at all, and have absolutely loved seeing her get humiliated.

Notice at the beginning of the fight, when Nunes went to touch gloves? Rousey ignored her. I remember when Meisha Tate went to shake hands after Rousey had just beaten her, and Ronda snubbed her. I just don't like that type of attitude, and am very happy to see her get punished.

You think that's air you're breathing now?

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[–] mistedshadow 8 years ago

Ronda DID touch gloves before the bell after the ref read the rules.
And when Amanda wanted to touch gloves after the bell, Ronda didn't ignore her...she shook her head to let Amanda know she wasn't into it... which is her prerogative. Honestly, I didn't see any signs of disrespect from Ronda.

I'm all for hugging it out after a fight, but I have never been a fan of the whole touching gloves thing before the fight...why pretend to be friends with someone who I plan to punch their face in and vice versa.

Also want to say I was impressed with Amanda shushing the crowd after the win out of respect for taking out what once was the legend of Ronda. It can be a tough line to walk trying to respect an opponent while wanting to celebrate and promote yourself, and I think she did a good job.

Placing trolls on ignore makes the board so nice :)

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