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Khabib by absolute domination...

either 5 rounds of Khabib taking Tony down at will and Pounding on him...or 2 or 3 rounds of it and then Khabib getting a sub.

There is not a man alive at 155 or IMO at 170 that can stop Khabib from taking them down and dominating them...


The Hilarious part is, this is anther pointless Interim belt..

Conor is NOT going to fight Khabib in his first fight back, That's going to be the Trilogy fight with Diaz...

Khabib is going to win An Interim belt and Literally have to sit on it for a year and that's at best....I don't see Conor fighting Khabib anytime soon if ever...

Conor's going to want to fight Diaz and then probably go for the 170 belt...

I also don't see The UFC forcing Conor to fight Khabib...Conor is the UFC's only star right now, the Last thing the UFC would want to do is feed Conor to Khabib and have Conor get brutally dominated for 5 rounds or until Khabib subs him...that would kill some of Conors drawing power...

Although at this point, Its not really about Conor, Conor getting dominated by Khabib doesn't really say anything bad about Conor...This is about Khabib, Khabib's grappling is just at a point where no one can stop it, Literally anyone who goes against Khabib is going to get dominated...





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Tell me more about Conor.

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Tell me more about Conor.


what would you like to know

He's currently the LW UFC Champion, but rightfully The FW and LW 2 weight champion...

He's 9-1 in the UFC

He's Currently The biggest star in MMA

He recently became a legend by KOing the P4P number 1 fighter on planet earth Jose Aldo in 13 seconds to win and Unify the Undisputed FW championship and then in span of 1 calendar year, he cemented himself As A Living Legend and All time great by moving up in weight to KO The LW champion on the absolute biggest stage possible at MSG to become the FIRT AND ONLY SIMUTIMIOUS UFC 2 weight Champion.

He just made upward of 40 million dollars in 2016 in his 3 fights with Diaz,Diaz II and Eddie...He was just offered 15 Million by Floyd Mayweather to fight him in a boxing match to which Dana counter offered 25 million

I think he also may be the only fighter in UFC history to win fights in 3 different weight classes in the span of a Calendar year, Almost certainly the only fighter to knock down opponents in 3 different weight classes in a calendar year(he KO's Aldo at 145, Knocked down Diaz 3 times at 170, then KO's Eddie and Knocked him down 5 times at 155)

He Currently the only fighter to literally from the day he walked into to the UFC to call his shot and predict he would Obliterate the FW division, KO Aldo, Then Move up to LW and Win The LW belt.....and then actually do it exactly as he predicted

He the Only fighter in UFC history to come into the UFC as a 2 weight world champion(of Cage Warrior) , Predict he'll replicate that success in the UFC and then actually do it and become a UFC 2 weight world champion.

He the person that Literally told The Media and Jose Aldo exactly how he was going to beat him...then went out and exactly did it.-http://sports.yahoo.com/news/conor-mcgregor-literally-calls-his-shot-in-the-biggest-fight-of-his-life-095307104-mma.html

He accurately predicted The outcume of his fights with Brimridge, Brandao,Poirier , Siver, Mendes and Aldo, even going as far as trying to bet Dana White 3 million dollars he would KO Chad Mendes in The 2nd round and in the build up to the Siver fight during the "embedded show" Conor told The People at the news station that were interviewing him "Hey you want to make money, Bet On round 2 KO for The Siver fight"


He also the fighter that after losing to Diaz, Literally took the loss and handled the loss and as well as you possible could, never at any point making a single excuse, immediately recognizing why he lost and crediting Diaz(If I remember right Diaz literally didn't even get out of the cage in the 2nd fight before making the excuse "I was injured coming into this fight and ummm I got the injury on tape to prove it")

Conor's also the fighter that demanded a rematch under the exact same circumstances under which he lost and came back and made excellent adjustment to beat and out last the same fighter that beat him mouths earlier.


He's currently taking time off for the birth of his child....He says he's out until at least May, the UFC says he's out 10 months...

when he returns, he'll return to fight either Diaz in the trilogy fight, maybe Woodley at 170 for the belt(If Woodley's still champ) or Khabib at 155 for The Interim belt that IMO Khabib will win in March by beating Tony...there is an outside change Conor could fight Floyd in his first fight back, but IMO that's extremely unlikely.

so that's a quick rundown of the Man Conor Mcgregor...if you want to know more let me know, but I think I gave a pretty good resume of Conor



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He's also never defended a UFC title. The high points of Conor's whole career barely adds up to what Jon Jones accomplished in 2011 alone. Conor has two belts because he was too big for 145 to stay there, and too much of a coward to try to climb the 155 ladder. If Nate could give him a loss, just imagine how difficult it would be to climb through Cerrone, RDA, Ferguson and Khabib. He skipped all of them, and now that he's won the 155 belt, we'll rarely see him any more. Now compare that with Aldo, who defended his UFC title seven times in a row, and is back for another run.

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Conor has two belts because he was too big for 145 to stay there


ah, so that's means from the day Conor came into the UFC you knew he was going to be FW champ right?

You knew he was going to 6-0 at FW, and Beat The All tie Great Jose Aldo right?

I mean that's clearly what your saying, If your now using the excuse that Conor's too big for FW, so therefor his wins aren't impressive, then You should have been saying it from day 1...NOT all of a sudden after he cleaned out a division and WON the title.

lol just give it up, Your only saying Conor is too big now because He beat everyone at FW and you don't want to give him credit.

Your using the Too big excuse simply because its all you got...Unfortunately though for you, you excuse is easily recognized....

You can't start saying Conor is too big after he beat everyone you thought he was going to lose too...

If you truly believed Conor was too big for FW, If you truly believed his size was such an advantage, the day the UFC signed Conor, You would have been saying "Hey guys, The UFC signed this fighter Conor Mcgregor, and I just want to tell you right now, He's going to be a future Champion, He's going to beat everyone at FW and Beat Jose Aldo and the reason why is, He's HUGE, He's bigger than all the other FW's and he's got a HUGE reach, You guys may not believe me now, But this guy has such an advantage over other FW with his Size, I'm telling you right now, He's the Future FW champ"

you then should have in ever single fight that Conor fought, Immediately said "Nope its not even going to be Close, Conor Size and Reach Will be too big of an advantage, Chad Mendes wont be able to take him down or keep him down, Conors too big and he'll win"

Next you should have said "Look Jose Aldo Great and Is probably a better fighter than Conor, But Aldo doesn't have a chance against Conor, Conors just too big, His reach is too long, Aldo will lose and he'll lose because he's at a massive size disadvantage"

lol I get the "He's too big" excuse...A lot of people have resorted to it...

But it fails miserably and it fails because the same people that are now saying "So what if Conor beat FW's and Won the belt, He's too Big, he was fighting smaller fighters"....are also the same people that at every turn picked Conor to lose...

First it was "Ya He can talk but lets see him fight in UFC"

then Conor comes to the UFC beats his first 3 opponents, Then it changed to "So what he beating Cans, Lets see him fight some top ten opponents"

Conor then Beats the number 5 and 8 ranked FW's...lol Then it changed to "Okay I'll give him some credit, he's beats some decent fighters but lets see what happens when he fights A Great Wrestler"....

Conor then Beats the best wrestler in the Division to win The Interim belt...lol now it finally changes to "so what he won a fake belt, Lets see him beat Aldo, If He Beats Aldo, Then I'll be Impressed"

of course, no one actually expected him to beat Aldo, Aldo was The Haters ACE IN THE HOLE, they knew Conor wasn't going to beat him so they put everything on it, but unfortunately, Conor beat Aldo and thus came the last ditch desperate excuse..."ummmm So what, He's too big, he should be beating all these FW's"

lol you see, The "He's Too Big" excuse could have worked...If you guys said it from the beginning....but instead, You constantly made excuse at every turn, Constantly kept moving the goal posts...

if you honestly thought Conor was too big, If you honestly thought his size was such an advantage, You simply would have predicted him to win from the day he walked into the UFC, at every turn, against every opponent, You would have said "Poirior, Siver, Mendes and Aldo have no chance, Conors too big, his size is too much of an advantage"

But you didn't, You only said it AFTER he beat them...

lol do you know that Conor Mcgregor was The Underdog in The Mendez,Aldo, Diaz II and Eddie fights among the MMA Community right....and by MMA Community I mean Life Long MMA Fans, MMA Analysts, MMA Fighters and MMA Coaches...

Do you know what that means?

what that means is you have life long MMA Fighters,Coaches and Analysts who know more about Fighting and MMA than you or I will ever know...and The Majority of these MMA Purists picked Conor to lose in The Mendes,Aldo,Diaz II and Eddies fights...

That's means going into all 4 of these fights, These MMA Purists knew up front Conor had a Size and reach advantage, and given how knowledgeable they are, They understand size and reach 100X times better than you and I...and The Majority of these MMA Purist still picked Conor to lose Despite knowing about his Size and reach and understanding what kind of advantage Conor would have with his size and reach.

lol basically that unequivocally kills your "He's too Big" Excuse...

The Majority of MMA Fighters and Coaches Knew Conor was bigger than Mendez, Knew he had a Reach advantage, but still didn't think it was a big enough advantage to pick Conor to win...

Same with Aldo and Eddie...They all knew going in Conor was bigger and had a reach advantage, Yet none of them said "Nope Eddie and Aldo are great, but there fighting a bigger man here, They are clearly at a disadvantage and that's why they are going to lose"

and too much of a coward to try to climb the 155 ladder.


do you honestly believe any fighter or champion would turn down a title shot or chance to become a 2 weight champion and instead say "Nope, I wont to Climb the Latter" first...

No ONE Would and the reason why is because every fighter has confidence in themselves...

They wouldn't feel the need to "Climb the Latter"...They would think to themselves, "I'm the best, I'll beat the Champ and then once I'm champ I'll defend it against all the fighters who I would I fought while climbing the latter..."

Its just absurd, Every fighter would rather be Champ and then fight the contenders rather than fight the contenders on the way up...

Now you would have a point if Conor doesn't start fighting Contenders...Hypothetically speaking if Conor starts doing superfights or going up to welterweight, If Conor doesn't in the next year or 2 fight 2 or 3 top LW contenders...Then yes we could then look back and say, You know what Him winning the LW wasn't that impressive, He didn't beat any LW contenders to earn the shot and once he won it he didn't beat or face any LW Contenders...

but its just Absurd to talk about Conor being afraid as of right now...Conor could very well fight and beat the top 2 or 3 LW Contenders in the next 2 years...

basically your saying because Conor didn't make the climb and fights 2 or 3 contenders like Khabib,Tony or Barbosa too earn the title shot, Then His title win isn't impressive...

But Conor could very well fight and beat those exact fighters in the next 2 years...

so hold off on the Conor is afraid and Conor didn't Climb the Latter talk....Because Its entirely possibly Conor could do exactly what you want ONLY in reverse...

He might fight and beat the exact fighters you wanted him to fight While "Making The Climb"...Only he'll do it after winning the belt instead of before...

again, I'm not biased here, If Conor at no point defends the LW belt against true contenders, then You have a point and It definitely casts a shadow over his LW championship win...

But you have to be NOT Biased too and give him time, If Conor fights and beats Khahbib,Tony and Barbosa in the next 2 years, Then your claims of he's scared to Climb the Latter are just wrong...

If that happens, Then Conor simply did exactly what any other fighter would do, He took the Opportunity to Win the belt, Instead of Idiotically turning it down so he could Climb the Latter of contenders...but after winning the belt he fought the exact contenders as champion instead of doing it as a rising contender.

If Nate could give him a loss, just imagine how difficult it would be to climb through Cerrone, RDA, Ferguson and Khabib


If Nate could give him a loss, just imagine how difficult it would be to climb through Cerrone

when you were factoring in how difficult it would be for Conor to beat Cerrone based on Conor losing to Nate?

did you also factor in Cerrone LOST to Nate TOO!

epic failure!

lol you forgot Cerrone Lost to Nate Too...lol you were acting like Cerrone is some world beater and that its some embarrassment that Conor lost Nate....but you failed to remember Cerrone LOST to Nate too


so putting aside jut how awful of example Cerrone is considering he lost to Nate too

basically it comes down to Khabib...

RDA and TONY are great, but neither of them are bad matchps for Conor, Conor could keep it standing with both of them and IMO would beat them both by KO or even by a decision if he had to...

lol also You do realize RDA and Cerrone are both Welterweights now...lol Conor wouldn't have to "Climb" over either of them now.

lol You entire "Climb" excuse comes down to Khabib...

Khahbib is a nightmare matchup for Conor...

everyone else at LW, Conor matches up great and has literally Zero reason to be afraid or not want to fight them

In fact, I would almost guarantee Conor would be A Favorite over every fighter at LW but Khabib...

If Conor fought Tony or Barbosa He'd be a heavy favorite .

I get it, your trying to make it look like theres a murders row at LW that Conors is avoiding and couldn't beat...

But really it comes down to Khabib..

Conor Matches up with Tony and Barbosa, He would be the favorite and would have Zero reason to avoid them(except that they wouldn't do great PPV buys)

RDA and Cerrone are welterweights, therefor Conor can't be Avoiding them

Its Khabib and Khabib Alone.


Now compare that with Aldo, who defended his UFC title seven times in a row, and is back for another run.


did you just somehow try and spin Jose Aldo being Gifted An Undisputed Title that he didn't earn or even fight for into a good thing?

lol did you just somehow try and spin the fact that due to the UFC being desperate and needing a New Headliner, they created a New Belt that then in turn somehow turned Jose Aldo's Interim FW belt into the Undisputed Champion belt without ever actually fighting or winning, lol did you really just try to spin that into a good thing?

and did you honestly just try and compare that to Conor actually Winning the LW Championship where he actually fought the champion and beat him?

did you just seriously try and make it seem like Aldo coming back for "another run" at FW as Champion where he never fought anyone to win the belt and was literally gifted the FW title is somehow more impressive than Conor going up in weight and Beating The Current LW Champion in absolute Devastating fashion...

did you just try and make it seem like Aldo's run of Losing the FW title, Winning an interim title and then being gifted the FW title is somehow more impressive than Conor beating Aldo to win The Undisputed title and then with the span of a year going up in weight to beat and win The UFC LW title...

did you just try and say ...
1 FW title loss
1 FW Interim title win
and A gifted FW title

is somehow better than
1 FW title Win
1 LW title win
and The first fighter ever to hold 2 belts simultaneously?

FEEL SHAME you deserve it!

lol epic fail!

Now compare that with Aldo, who defended his UFC title seven times in a row, and is back for another run.



PS, once again You can't make these claims yet, Conor may very well defend his LW title many times...

as of right now, He hasn't ducked no one, hasn't NOT fought the number 1 contender...

If in 2 years Conor has lost The LW belt or isn't facing the true contenders...Then Your more the free to put Aldo's resume against Conor's and say it more impressive.

but right now, Conor's resume is incomplete, You can't hate on him for something he hasn't done yet, You can't declare a victor when race is still going...

in 2 years from right now Conor may very well be on his 5th LW title defense...and that's why you can't compare right now, because if that did happen, If Conor did defend The LW belt 5 times and you factor in his run at FW where he also won the FW belt and was the only simultaneous 2 weight Champ....

that resume may very well be better than Aldo's 7 defenses at FW





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He's also never defended a UFC title. The high points of Conor's whole career barely adds up to what Jon Jones accomplished in 2011 alone. Conor has two belts because he was too big for 145 to stay there, and too much of a coward to try to climb the 155 ladder. If Nate could give him a loss, just imagine how difficult it would be to climb through Cerrone, RDA, Ferguson and Khabib. He skipped all of them, and now that he's won the 155 belt, we'll rarely see him any more. Now compare that with Aldo, who defended his UFC title seven times in a row, and is back for another run.

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Yep Conor never defends the belt. Big deal he wins the title, he shouldn't even get these instant title shots. A true champ at least tries to defend the belt.

I don't consider him a double champ.





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Awesome fight. I have Khabib, but it'll be competitive fo sho. Some give Ferguson the respect he deserves, but too many don't. Problem is on the ground where Khabib goes from one position to another before his opponent can even react to the first one, and he's among the best at getting it to the ground. He's at the top of the food chain so I can't pick against him.

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I haven't seen enough of Khabib or Ferguson to say how good either's grappling is. It works in Conor's favor being able to watch it obviously, even if his ground game is several levels below either man, watching Ferguson try to use his own reach and striking, which is his advantage will give him tips on how to fight both men.

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If McGregor takes the Mayweather fight(incredible how this started as a fantasy match up and now its actually got a chance)He might not have to fight MMA again. A Mayweather payday could have him set....be the best pay check hed ever cash.
I gotta see who makes it to weigh ins for this one. You know Khabib can get injured at any time now and Tony is really good. I wana believe hes bringing his A game come 209 so this could be more competitive than most think. Not picking Ferguson, just not underestimating him. I gotta see them on weigh in to pick one on this one.

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You know Khabib can get injured at any time now
You watch your tongue!

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I got Khabib by grinding Tony for most the fight but then what's that outta nowhere Tony subs him!

So I hope anyways

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