Dont Muslims Christians and Jews... - Paradise Now (2005) Discussion

[–] geitje 18 years ago

Technically, yes, but when has that stopped people from killing each other?

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[–] geitje 18 years ago

Oh, of course it's more complicated, don't get me wrong. I'm simply making the point that it's fairly irrelevant whether it's the same god, a different god, or no god at all - mankind commits atrocities, whether it's in the name of religion or not.

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[–] Bruce7 15 years ago

Men and Women will always try to not obey and love God in loving others.

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[–] alkamal_r 18 years ago

Most definitely. Being monotheistic religions, it wouldn't make any sense for believers of those religions to claim otherwise. Which is why it saddens me all the more when I see so much bloodshed and conflict in the name of religion.

Ironically, this isn't even ironic at all.

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[–] Zzazza 18 years ago

The Palestina-Israël conflict is primarly about land and not about religion, but yeah they do belief in the same god (with different profeths).

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[–] bobbyf 17 years ago

There are those who believe that Moslems, Jews, and Christians worship the same God, however that is a fallacy.

The Moslems believe in the god Allah, reavealed to them by their "prophet" Mohammed circa 600AD. Moslems believe that this is the same God that Christians and Jews worship, however, inversely, Christians and Jews do not beleive that Allah is the same God of the Bible that they worship.

The Jews believe in YHWH - the God with no name, or whose name is unpronouncable. Their relationship to Him is defined by their adherance to the Torah, the law. They await his ultimate prophet, the Messiah.

Christians believe that Jesus of Nazereth is the Messiah, and that He is equal with Father God YHWH- therefor Jesus is God. Their roots are closely related to Judaism in as much as they acknowledge that YHWH- Father God - is also God. Christians believe that Jesus "fulfilled" the law, and they do not live by the law, but the teachings of Jesus.

Again, it's much more complicated than this, but these are the fundamental differences.

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[–] xtina4eva 17 years ago

You seem to have some (more than me , atleast) insight into this, but you've made some mistakes;

"Arabs" is not a religion
and its not mOslims its muslims

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[–] bobbyf 17 years ago

Thanks for the correction- Yes, it is not Arabs that I meant, but Moslems. The original poster used the word muslim- I used Moslems as I believe is the correct term.

Arabs can be devoted to any religion, not all Arabs are Molsems.

Thanks.

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[–] Karl Aksel 17 years ago

The Moslems believe in the god Allah

"Allah" simply means "God". Even Arab Christians pray to "Allah". Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic faiths, and so it stands to reason that they worship the same god -- with different interpretations. It should be noted that Muslims do not consider the Bible as wrong, but simply not as right as the Quaran.

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[–] Zwayd 17 years ago

muslims believe in only one god .

Christians and Jews believe in more than one god .

god and a son .

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[–] mostwantedspaz 17 years ago

First- Jews do not believe Jesus was the Son of God or the Messiah.
Second-Christians believe God the Father, Jesus the Word, and the Holy spirit in which Grace is bestowed, are three persons in one God. A divine trinity.

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[–] Bruce7 15 years ago

Incorrect. They both believe in one God. Christians believe a god head. One God in three persons, equal, but distinct and eternal.

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[–] ancamg 15 years ago

That's a joke, euphemistically speaking! Both Jews and Christians have only one God. Jesus Christ is God for Christians (expressed as trinity). It's the same God the Jews believe in, only they give no credit to Christ, as nobody is prophet in its own land.

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[–] Moesislak 17 years ago

Muslims and Jews know we believe in the same God, but you have no idea how many times my friends (high school teens) have thought ALLAH is the Muslim god or like a totally different god. I keep having to tell people, it's just our word for god (I'm Kurdish, so we have our own word for god but use Allah a lot of times), not OUR god. You know, I mean, it gets annoying when people are sometimes so into their own culture that they think everyone calls god, god. I'm not trying to just say ALL Americans or teenage Americans are like that, I've been here since I was 8, so I consider myself a teenage American and I'm not like that, and I think my friends here in Arizona....we'll, were not the 49th or 50th state when it comes to education levels for known. Not to mention cultural awareness seems to be just as bad, but honestly, I think its just they don't know because they don't care. That's not really a good thing either though.
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[–] joly24601 17 years ago

Yes, I would say Christians and Jews believe in the same God (though they disagree concerning Christ and the Trinity), but most emphatically that this is NOT the same God Muslims believe in. Anyone who has studied the writings of these religions will know this...the two concepts of God's nature are completely different and incompatible. "Allah" and the Christian/Jewish "God" are just too different in nature to be the same being. Yes, they are both monotheistic, but the similarities stop there.

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[–] cewl20 17 years ago

It is true. Muslims believe in a completely different God, and though at one the Jews were the "chosen people" that is no longer true since the time of Christ's return. There also a lot of fundamental differences in Jews/Christians. Then it gets into what constitutes a "Christian." Most people believe that Mormons, Cathloics, etc. are Christians, but again there a lot of fundamental beliefs different there, so really they should be in their own category. But it is truly sad that religion has sparked so much violence and animosity, which why religion is flawed. Only a personal relationship with Jesus is what it is all about, not following silly rules that a religion has created to fall in line with what they think God commands...

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[–] joly24601 17 years ago

"Christian" means "Christ-follower"--and that's all you have to do to be called a Christian. That definition transcends denomination and applies to anyone who takes the message of Scripture to heart and lives and believes accordingly, with a personal relationship as you describe. Doctrine *is* very important, but that's another discussion for another time.

I should think if "Allah" and the Christian/Jewish "God" (I am using the two together because both Christians and Jews accept and believe the Old Testament) the writings each inspired would show some continuity. But that just isn't the case. The message of the Koran is radically different from the message of even just the Old Testament. At first they may seem similar, but are so different at key points there is no way it's the same God.

I would argue that these three monotheistic religions do have a common root in Judaism. Then Ishmael came along, and from him Mohammad who preached a different God than Abraham's (I don't want to be offensive...Muslims agree to this, yes?). And Christ, who brought even more division as some Jews (and Gentiles) followed him as the Messiah and others continued to reject him. Veeery interesting to study, as the same conflict is still going on today. It is sad though that there is little love lost between these religions. Christians are told to love their enemies, and we should do that more actively.

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[–] ozlembal 17 years ago

"I should think if "Allah" and the Christian/Jewish "God" (I am using the two together because both Christians and Jews accept and believe the Old Testament)"

Jews don't acknowledge both christian's and muslim's holly book thus they deny both of them's prophet.

Christians acknowledge jew's holy book but they deny muslim's holy book thus they acknowledge jew's prophet but they deny muslim's prophet.

Muslims acknowledge both jew's and christian's holy book thus they acknowledge both jew's and christian's prophet.

Both christians and muslims acknowledge the previous one.

Both jews and christians deny the next one.

All of them are monotheist although divine trinite sounds confusing.

All of them have different interpretations

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[–] joly24601 17 years ago

Jews and Christians actually both cherish the Old Testament of the Bible. It's the New Testament where the disagreement is. But both Jews and Christians reject the Koran as preaching a totally different god.

Look, I'm a Christian: I know firsthand they cannot possibly be the same. :D

It is really sad in cases like Ireland where religion masks a political issue, because then the truths and spirit of religion is completely lost. Not all the time is it just politics though. I believe that there is a spiritual world as well as a physical, and there is more going on "behind the scenes" than we may realize or want to think about.

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[–] boasty 17 years ago

I thought they all believed in the God of Abraham?

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[–] sibersiti 17 years ago

yes, Both prophets Abraham AND Muhammad preach pple to believe the same god.

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[–] joly24601 17 years ago

Nooo, they didn't. Study the Old Testament and the Koran. Very different stuff! Obviously, we can't take God and put him in a lab to test, so the only way we can see if the Hebrew/Christian God and "Allah" are the same is by looking at what people believe about them, and the writings they inspired. In the Old Testament, a Triune God is preached, as well as a unique plan of salvation. In the Koran, no such Triune nature, no plan of salvation. *How* can they then be the same God? Even Muslims (though perhaps some differ on this issue) say Christians believe in a different God because we believe in a Trinity (one God in three persons), which they see as polytheism and "many gods"--different from their "one". I should think, if it were the same God, there would be agreement between their teachings.

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[–] Karl Aksel 17 years ago

Just because they have different interpretations doesn't mean it's different gods. Muslims consider the Torah and the Bible to be divinely inspired, too, but like the other faiths they believe their book is the infallible one.

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[–] Krustallos 17 years ago

Anyway, this is not the point.

Protestants and Catholics clearly believe in the same God but that didn't prevent centuries of conflict in Northen Ireland.

In that case as with Israel/Palestine we have a nationalist conflict dressed up as a religious one.

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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[–] Karl Aksel 17 years ago

In that case as with Israel/Palestine we have a nationalist conflict dressed up as a religious one.

Indeed, as is usually the case.

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[–] Screen-7 17 years ago

Lots and lots of mainstream theologians would disagree with you. "God" of these three monotheistic religions are basically the same.

Sure there are some difference but those are minor compared to, let's say, Vishnu, Zeus or some local tribal god.

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[–] shalikh 17 years ago

I'm a Muslim [ not an Arab, by the way] .let me tell you what i was taught about it.

elders tell us that Allah sent many many books to teach people about himself, as people got smarter the books got more complicated...in this way came Moses with his book.....then Jesus with his book.......but their messages were forgotten or changed with time by people [not trying to offend,this is what i heard] ...so at last he sent the last and most complete book....[by the person who is mentioned in Judaism as messiah but was rejected by the Jews.......still, just what i heard]...this prophet is announced as the last prophet [ i don't know if in the Book, but it is the cause of a sectoral divide among Muslims] and strict measurements have been taken by early Muslims to protect the Koran from any literal change.Muslim laws may be changed as necessary but not The Book.

Allah is an Arab word, used from long before the arrival of the Koran.here, we also use the farsi [Iranian] word for God, which is Khoda. we often say "Oh my God!", too!

anyway, i'm not very religious and i think religion is an easy mask used by the greedy people to hide reality from others....

i have no sympathy for suicide bombers but i do think the Arabs have been taken advantage of. they're as oppressed as any other oppressed community and they should've done something about it long ago instead of fighting with each other.

BTW, this thread has a very secular and politically-conscious air, so different from some of the other blogs that i read. refreshing.

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[–] RParmly-3 17 years ago

"Moslems believe that this is the same God that Christians and Jews worship, however, inversely, Christians and Jews do not beleive that Allah is the same God of the Bible that they worship."

Just wanted to say this isn't necessarily true. The Catholic Church since Vatican II has acknowleged that Jews and Muslims worship the same God as we do. A number of European Protestants would also agree. In the U.S. it's a different story, but I wanted to point out that there are plenty of Christians who do in fact believe that the Muslim God is the same God of the Bible.

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[–] Screen-7 17 years ago

I'm a Christian who has lived for many years in Muslim countries. I know lots of Muslims and have read quite a few books written by Muslims.

So, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of how Muslims usually view God and it is generally how I conceive of God -- and most Christians I know.

Take the 99 names of God -- I agree with them all (as much as I understand them.)

If there is a difference between Christians and Muslims view of God, it's really one of emphasis.

The Muslims I know have a very high view of Allah's justice and power. We American Protestants tend to emphasize God as father in a close personal relationship with us.

But these two views are are not contradictory or incompatible -- just a different emphasis.

Of course, when we start talking about Jesus or The Prophet, we start having substantial differences in theology.

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[–] Screen-7 17 years ago

I'm curious, now, .. in Mosques in English speaking countries, do Muslims use the English word "God" or the Arabic, "Allah"?

Interestingly, this "same name for God" is an issue in some countries and not others, in my observation.

In Egypt, Christians used the name "Allah" in the church I attended there.

But in Pakistan, the Christians used the Persian word "Huda" (Sp?)

For the longest time, Pakistani Muslims would also use the word "Huda" in the age-old greeting, "huda hafiz"

But, lately, some Mullahs have been commanded that they should stop since only "Allah" is the real Muslim name for God.

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[–] hozdaboz 17 years ago

The farsi word for God is "Khoda".

My ustad (religious teacher) was Pakistani and he and his wife used to always allude to the Almighty as Allah (swt). The Pakistani mosque that I used to pray in as a child always referenced the Almighty as Allah (swt).

Khoda has morphed into the politically correct word of choice in the Indian Subcontinent to preclude religious divisiveness.

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