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Don't Let the Cynics 'Put Down' this Movie


A really good movie (and love story) - but with a message.

The message is - dont accept the 'status quo'. We can, should and must try every means possible to get the people who can affect history (basically politicians and money holders - not necessarily in that order!) to do good.

If it pricks their conscience to watch a movie like this - and listen to the statistics quoted about world poverty - LET IT BE.

I don't care if you call me naive (or complain that movies shouldn't have a message - just entertain). I hope movies with messages like this can change people's attitude. Some (important) people really are not aware of these things or their own ability to change it. Nor are they aware of the feelings of the vast (silent?) majority of people who would happily pay a few extra pennies on their taxes - if they knew such a change were possible/feasible.

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i suggest you donate your computer and car towards fighting world poverty. it is what you should do. it is what you can do. but you won't because you are greedy and selfish. you should donate the tv and your cable budget towards world hunger instead of wasting prescious resources watching silly entertainment like this movie. decadent fool.

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So Mr. or Mrs. Better-than-everyone-else. You surely sold everything you've got and do write this offensive crap only in your imagination due to lack of computer? If not, lay down the stones cause I don't see that You'd have any right to throw the first one.

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silly man. the movie threw the first stone.

if i'm a fool, you should think about what it says about the movie.

are you dense? surely before you try to devote massive tax monies of your fellow man towards funding massive world welfare projects you'd rid yourself of your own personal excess wealth first? or is the act of giving away others money just so much easier?

you have children? you adopt? no foster children? no adoptions from 3rd world countries? instead of paying for new shoes or private school for your children you could instead save the lives of 3rd world children? why aren't you? you are heartless that is why:P

and idealism is not without danger. it is the activist that goes into a poor country and demands a factory stop child labor. the activist leaves and goes back to their decadent life style and thinks they've done good while a poor family starts to starve when its children are fired and they fall further into poverty.

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so there was no information before computers right? no activists before computers. no campaigns for anything before computers?

simply untrue.

you don't need an expensive hbo subscription and computer to know there are very poor countries in the world. you don't have to have any technology to know there are poor people even in your own country. i'm sure most of us drive past a homeless once a day or see them down town. its absurd to pretend people are that ignorant. its sort of patronizing.

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not really. freedom is a right, not a luxury. you cannot give up your freedom and use it to feed enother. it is not comparable to the luxuries of wealth that are beyond what one needs to sustain basic health. and really, now you know or already know about the poverty. you no longer need your luxuries, it is time to put your money where your mouth is and give up all but your basic necessities. it is the only moral thing to do, or are you so selfish that you would rather keep your luxuries while babies die?

and if you think giving everything away is idealistic and counter productive. thats the flaw with this movie. that is the point.

and if it is not directed to hbo viewers who is it directed to? i've never met someone so dumb as to not know africa is filled with poverty. the simple fact is the movie cheapens its message trying to wrap it in a poorly written romance story..because the author thinks its the only way to enlighten the stupid common people.

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"you are heartless that is why:P"

My dearest, darling, cynic. I don't believe I've ever taken an argument seriously that didn't use a single capital letter, or one that actually used ":P" as a debate technique. Are we in elementary or junior high school?

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Well, why not "devote massive tax monies of your fellow man towards funding massive world welfare projects"?

We're already devoting billions of dollars in tax money to subsidize first-world agriculture so that third-world agriculture cannot afford to sustain itself. I wonder what the result of that would be?

How about all the tax receipts we simply throw away for corporate welfare? Or all the money that we dedicate to "defense"?

How about the money that municipalities use to build stadiums for private sports teams? I understand that some places could have built ten or more public schools, or hired hundreds more teachers with the money they're giving away to private sports teams.

Finally, how about all the taxes that go into government research programs and university research grants? Pharmaceutical companies use the benefits of all that tax-funded research to create lucrative new drugs.

In comparison to any one of these tax-funded programs, funding world welfare projects would cost a pittance.

Since we're already giving away so much of other people's money for these other worthy pursuits, why not re-direct a small portion of that money to educate and feed people in need?

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I am sure my computer and car are going to make a big difference to world poverty (not). The whole point is that there are people who think just like you and me (hopefully more like me than 'aihyah'), who have the power to make a difference. Unfortunately the only power I have is to make my feelings known on IMDB - perhaps generating a bit more publicity and promoting an interest in the movie, for those who haven't seen it yet.

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I agree that the important thing the movie does is to put the information out there, in a palatable form - if you like Curtis et al.

Getting rid of my computer is not going to help third world debt or crippling trade tariffs which prevent the third world from helping itself. Having individuals informed about how their standard of living is helped or hurt by those tariffs is important but the tariffs can only be changed by governments. Getting those governments to make those changes is the responsibility of the individual.

"In the case of the steel tariffs President Bush introduced in March of 2002, the cost was $732,000 in higher prices for each steel job saved, according to Dan Griswold of the Cato Institute."

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surely you know thats a cop out. oh my effort won't make a big enough dent, why try at all?

ever see those late night commercials asking for donations for charities? i'm sure your computer and car could fund atleast a few childrens well being and education. a few dollars goes a long way in the 3rd world.

the simple fact is many people are more confortable giving away someone elses money rather then their own.

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Giving away money is not going to stop world poverty. These people need the ability to learn how to fish, not you giving them fish, to paraphrase the Chinese saying.

Giving away money is not what the film called for either. It's about strutuarl changes that can de made by world leaders in Glasgow in a few days. But they rather make endless compromises that also will make poverty endless.


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"Don't Let the Cynics 'Put Down' this Movie"?
I won't. I loved it :)

A Brainless Airhead Who Happens to Like Movies.



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I'm seeing both sides of this argument -

I work domestically for a mission group in Haiti (It's not Africa, but many would claim it is worse - as a continent, Africa wins, but Haiti is the poorest nation in the world.) People saying that their 35 dollars for cable each month and their computers wouln't be enough to stem the tide of poverty, and that simply isn't true. If every person who has posted in this thread alone donated 35-50 dollars, we could completely rebuild an entire village, adding valuable services such as water purification and public schooling. Or we could build a school with intermittant power and possibly even running water, and fill it with the computers that we "wouldn't help anybody with." Or we could purchase fabric & thread, as well as sewing supplies in general, and with the manually powered sewing machines that missions groups send to Haiti regularly, teach the local poor to craft clothing and notions not only to clothe their families but also to sustain the community financially. We can make a difference... even the contributions which we would see as "minor" individual sacrifices (a dollar here, a bolt of fabric or some used clothes there) can help a hundred-fold in countries like Haiti, Trinidad, Tobogo, and the many ailing African countries.

However, this film isn't about us, or whether we can donate our computers, money, or time. It's about nations and governments deciding for the people they are supposed to represent that collected monies should be spent (usually against the desires of the taxpayers) to foreign programs to reduce disease, poverty, and hunger. The question of whether or not the GOVERNMENTS should be giving away our clothes, cash, and computers for us is the question at hand in this film, in my opinion. Personally, despite my experience with overseas mission work, despite having met the pain and pallor of these people firsthand when they need to be flown to America for life-saving surgery unavailable in their clinics (which are, incidentally, horribly understocked and understaffed,) I still don't think it is government's place to spend the people's money on anything but the people. The choice to be charitable should always be, in my opinion, a choice.

If you care about the message of this film, the answer isn't (again, in my opinion) to complain that our countries don't do enough for international poverty, but rather to find the website of a charity or mission group you find to be worthy of your money and donate whatever you feel you comfortably (or uncomfortably, if you are stronger-willed) can.

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You're deeply in love with money, man. That should suck. I feel for you.




"my life's bigger than your money"
Luiz Pacheco

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Why do you get upset with people that cares ?! I think it bothers you deeply to be you.

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While I'm sure that anonymous name-calling on the internet is comforting and cathartic for everyone, it's less than productive. On this thread, a couple of people have tried to make the point (that the movie also makes) that extreme poverty in Africa is due to a number of factors and, therefore, alleviating poverty is complicated. Throwing money at the problem will not work so long as governmental and corporate corruption are the rule of the day. While debt relief and aid packages are important steps in fighting the effects of poverty, clamping down on the West's exploitation of African resources (abetted by local governmental officials) is more likely to get to the sources of African poverty.

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Oh my God! People are practically fighting on this forum! All I wanted was some recreational time on IMDB. :) Just in case I get murdered by one of you angry folks, don't forget to donate my organs to Africa, whichever one is useful! :) Love ya all! Peace!

By the way, I grew up in poverty, we never had electricity and we still don't. My mom still lives there (Northern Burma/Myanmar).

We just got our first telephone line this year. What a change! No electricity, no computers there. I write my mom letters and postal-mail them. Just to remind you sophisticated folks that such things still exists! :)

People did die (including my father(55) and two of my sisters(2 and 23) by malaria and other diseases due to lack of medicare, but some of us did survive. That's part of life. I contracted malaria and I lived. I left the country at 18 and I am now supporting myself (studying in the US sponsored by a wonderful individual!). My older brother is in working Thailand and now he's supporting mom so that she doesn't have to do manual labor at old age.

We're not as poor anymore and my mom is OK. What I wanted to tell you is when you see people are poor and dying, you have to assume there's something wrong with the system, either the government, the religion, or the cultural values that prevent people from going out there and do something.

If you want to help the poor people that are portrayed in THE GIRL IN THE CAFÉ, first you must have to change the government, the social structure, cultural values (they might think a girl must not go to school) and the way of thinking first. The cultural values are most important (impossible to change) because they're imprinted in them generations to generations. Until then, you cannot help the dying children.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

But just don't beleive what you saw in this movie, or at least don't take it seriously. It's just purely entertainment, and rather a dull one at that. :)

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Thank you thulars, I was getting very disappointed with these posts, they were all missing the point. But you hit it right on the head. There are many different problems, personally i see two main camps: humanitarian and economic. I believe the humanitarian problems are more at the individual (or micro) level and could benefit from more dollars: for vaccinations for malaria, TB and polio etc; for increased education in health and sanitation issues; and for greater access to water/sanitation. But the much harder issue is achieving sustainable economic development which is at a much broader (or macro) level (can you tell i'm an economist?!). This is something that donors have learnt cannot be achieved by throwing money at countries (and imposing conditionality really got us nowhere...). In other words, rather than aiming for 0.7% ODA/GNI, let's aim to work with governments/NGOs/CSOs etc within countries to identify each country's critical constraints to growth and thereby making aid more effective, rather than just more.

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You didn't honestly expect an intellectual character study in a Richard Curtis film? There was no character development alright, but to be honest, I didn't missed it particularly. Romantic films don't necessarily have to have it. My opinion at least.

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Well, I totally disagree. If any kind of movie needs character development, then it's a romance. Even in fairy tale about the young prince and the princess you always have some kind of character development. Romance without development is dead. And certainly, in real live... nothing is that much a catalyst for development as is a romantic relationship.
In that vein, I don't get the line 'Love can't change what is wrong in the world, but it's a start'. Somebody please explain that to me. Love, in the form of compassion or simply empathy or otherwise is the basis for change. Nothing can be done right without love. Not even coffee. There you have it, my two cents.

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I guess we're talking about totally different things here. The ''character development'' of a romantic lead is - you fall in love, you try to convince the other person that you're the right one. You don't get necessarily another or even better person. That's what I see as development. Not the hormones. And - as Henry Miller said (nearly I would've written Arthur Miller. Ouch...) ''Love is nothing but a boogie woogie of hormones.'' (Don't know if these are the exact words. I only know the German translation of this quote)

''What's wrong in the world'' was about poverty, war, etc.. I think even we can agree that no loving couple on earth could change that alone with being in love. That's what it meant. At least I think so.

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Again, don't you think that there is some development in the characters ? The BBC discussion of this movie (http://www.bbc.co.uk/africalives/features/girl.shtml) calls their encounter 'life-changing relationship'. I agree, the movie could have dwelt more on certain aspects of their characters. But you can't have it all at once, I think. It seems, to me, however, amply clear that much goes on internally with the characters and that indeed there is a good deal of development. And seriously, do you really think romance can happen without any development? Isn't falling in love always a big development step, if not leap ? Seriously, I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm just surprised. Can you think of a love film that doesn't at least imply hefty development ? From Shakespeare to "My Stepmother Is an Alien" ?
Well, or did you mean the characters weren't laid out in sufficient detail ?

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I don't know if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have seen this movie yet but at least it looks if important people with serious money are, at last, trying to do something about world poverty.

I hope some of the people who work for them, and have the ability to allocate the money, see this movie and can direct some resources to the appropriate areas, to make a difference.

Good on you Bill and Warren - let others (billionaires and politicians) take note. You CAN make a difference!

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What exactly does the bill gates charity foundation do? Aid money is basically dead money it rarely leads to anything productive especially with how bad it is managed, no one talks about the dangerous effects of pouring billions into a country for aid. how is it that the countries that have received the most aid in the last 30 years are still the poorest countries?
Eliminating trade barriers would probably due more to help the poorer countries than giving them billions of aid money?
Politicians dont give a sh** about anyone, they only care about one thing, getting reelected themselves or their party, and that's it. So if giving 20 million to 5 african countries is what will make them look good, then hey thats great, it does not matter if that money ends up in the hands of militias, corrupt oppressive governments or useless projects, as long as they get the headline of "20 billion to Africa" its all good. Then off course they are also intersted in maintaingin their base happy, by giving them whatever favors they want regardless of who's rights get tramplede on to do that.
If in the UK and the USA 90% of the people would want only white people to be treated as first class citizens, then that is what politicians would push for, they (most of them) are the scum of the earth, parasites who just want to live of someonelse's labor and "protect" their interset.


Here is an great article/interview on the problems caused by aid money:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363604,00.html

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To me, this movie conveys a more personal message. It says you have to protect yourself as a person, don't let go your dreams easily. Because every time you lose your dream without fighting, you die a little bit inside. Gina understood it. She is passionate about humanity causes, no one can deny that. But she said those things at the summit mostly because she wanted to protect Lawrence from losing his big dream. Lawrence was too old and consumed by life's compromises that he couldn't do it himself. So she thought she had to fight for him because she didn't want to see the man she loved die, even if it was only on an off-chance.

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Isn't it amazing on how many levels this film touched people? Still I don't think Gina was doing all of this just because of Lawrence, but when we remember f.e. when he told her about his Stones-related dream, I can agree that personal dreams in life played a part in that film.

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I agree, this movie has many facets and layers. Thank you for mentioning the Rolling Stones dreams. Personal dreams were also mentioned in the meeting in which Lawrence was asked not to attend the final day of the meeting. "Risk it" is my favorite line in this movie. To me, it is also the most prominent message, from the romance between Gina and Lawrence, to Lawrence's personal struggle from his mundane life, to nations' resolution to make the world a better place, to taking upon ourselves to become a part of a potential great generation.

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