I saw this movie December 2007 when I was a Freshmen in high school. I am now a Junior and just finished reading it for my British Literature class. When I saw this movie 2 and 1/2 years ago, I enjoyed it. Now I absolutely hate it. What is wrong with Robert Zemeckis?! He totally butchered everything about this poem. It's a disgrace. The only similarities between the two were the characters names! Okay, here's my biggest problems with this movie:
1. Where in the poem does it ever give any hint whatsoever that Grendel is the love child of Hrothgar? Oh that's right. IT DOESN'T.
2. Why let Grendel's Mother live at the end? I mean, I understand sometimes when Hollywood changes the ending of a book to make the end of the movie happier (like when they made The Iliad into "Troy" for instance, a lot of the Greeks die in the movie that didn't die in the book, and a lot of Trojans who died in the book live.) But I didn't really understand the point of making the ending a less happy ending than the original. At least in the original he died with honor and love for his country. In this movie, he dies because of pride and he was too weak and lustful to defeat Grendel's mother.
3. They just included all these random things and ideas that were totally unnecessary and didn't follow the plot line. Some examples: Wiglaf being with Beowulf from the beginning, Hrothgar and Welthow having a bad marriage, Beowulf doesn't kill Grendel's Mother and instead bears her a son, Hrothgar committing suicide and Beowulf becoming king, Beowulf having an affair with the young woman, Beowulf's son becoming the dragon... The list goes on.
4. I'm not religious, but I seem to recall that they worship "The Almighty" in the poem. Not "Odin." (This of course might just be a difference between translations of the poem. I don't know.)
All in all, someone needs to make Beowulf again and DO IT RIGHT so that we forget all about this movie. Because to me, this movie is just one big mistake like almost every other book-to-movie adaption Hollywood does these days...
Well the story of beowulf was told for hundreds of years before written down. There were differences between the original poem and the written one. The differences between the written poem and the film is a continuation of that tradition.
"I shall go and tell the indestructible man that someone plans to murder him."
If the movie was historically accurate to the likes of the poem, there would be no movie. There should not be a crossover from ancient literature written in words most people can't understand in modern society...and movies. Old poems were not meant to have flashy effects and keep 21st century people amused and entertained. You arrogant snob get the hell off these boards.
I totally agree with the OP. The movie was so different from the poem that it was almost a different story. A few changes to details I'm fine with. But completely altering the personality of some characters completely? Changing the outcome of a battle? What the hell were they thinking?
And for those who don't think the original poem could make a good movie on its own: BULL!!! The poem is full of action, bravery, bloodshed, etc. There was absolutely no reason it needed to be changed so much. It is awesome as it is and the movie is total garbage.
I haven't actually seen this movie, but was researching Beowulf adaptations for a lesson plan on the poem that I was putting together, and came across it. Personally, I don't like what they've done with the story. It is certainly NOT the same story at all. But it's true that the original wouldn't make a good movie. Don't get me wrong; Beowulf the poem is one of my favorite works of literature ever, but it wouldn't hold audiences' attention the way this movie likely does. It's just too straightforward; there's little change in any of the characters, there is really no intrigue, and the only plot is killing monsters. It's a thrilling poem and a great read, but I don't think it would translate well to film as it is. Nonetheless, I don't think I'm pleased with this adaptation, just from what I've heard. If it doesn't translate well to film, don't make it an entirely different story. Just make a different movie.
If it doesn't translate well to film, don't make it an entirely different story. Just make a different movie.
Agreed. If you have to completely alter the story and characters to translate a story to the screen, then that's probably a clue that you just shouldn't do it at all.
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Well Brian_G, I think that if this movie was like the book, there WOULD be a movie. I actually just re-watched the movie this week. It's so bad. They got everything wrong, and I couldn't even keep watching after he had the affair with Grendel's Mother. I'm an arrogant snob? Obviously you're just some uncultured, stupid kid who only likes movies for flashy, crappy effects and don't care about how much the plot sucks (I bet you LOVED Avatar...) Beowulf could've had flashy effects in the dragon battle and the fight with Grendel's Mother could've been intense. It would've been a well adapted book-to-movie. But no, in the end, Beowulf is a liar and a failure who betrayed his friends, wife, and people. And I'm sure the words from the poem could've been easily adapted for "21st century people." Or perhaps you mean people like you. The uncultured, uneducated, unappreciative kind who only appreciate movies made about sports or Adam Sandler.
All right, let's go over this again, and hopefully for the last time. This is not a movie about the poem "Beowulf". It's not that "Hollywood" needed to do anything or parses a different tongue or any of that crap. This is a piece about what could have been the Idea Behind. The story behind the story.
Let's say someone does as you plead and puts a shot-for-verse version of "Beowulf" on the screen. I'd probably check it out, but it would not stand well with critics. Why not? The movie would be flat and the characters lifeless. Throughout the epic poem, does Beowulf's motivation change? How does his character grow? What internal conflicts lead to revelation?
Instead, what Gaiman and Avary did is make Beowulf a more complex character by having him be an unreliable narrator. How much of what he says is true? This idea of complexity allows for amendments to the storyline, but also to mirror our own moments of falsehood. Ever stretch the truth to gain a little more renown? Does it sit well in the pit of your stomach, knowing the truth is not what people have been told?
Introduction of character flaws is a classic method of enriching a character. Flaws are the method by which we humanize and sympathize.
But onto your questions:
1. Grendel's parentage. We are told in the poem that Grendel is a descendant of Cain, that is half-man, half-demon. Grendel's mother is outright called a demon. How does a demon beget an offspring that is half-man? By sleeping with a man. Mention is made that Grendel will not harm Hrothgar. It is not a difficult leap to make.
2. The ending. You misunderstood what caused the death of Beowulf. Pride and greed and an inability to act is what made him stagnate as king, sliding from warrior-hero to skirt-chasing monarch. When his sins are exposed (that is, when the dragon comes) he realizes that he alone must stone for his inaction and inability. When a hero strays from his course (as Beowulf has done in not slaying the Mother) he enters a sort of catatonia; only upon atonement and return to course (here, monster-slaying) can the hero achieve final victory. Which he does. You read it in class a few months ago.
Mother survives because she is a representation of temptation. She is succubus, the creature of conception. She exists to tempt heroes from their paths. As an external representation of an internal conflict, she cannot truly be defeated.
3. The changes. There were some changes to the plot that done for the sake of simplicity -- those surrounding Wiglaf being Beowulf's companion, for example, or keeping the story based around Heorot instead of switching to Meduseld for the third act. Other changes were added to create a sense of character depth via inclusion of flaws and foibles.
4. Christianity. The poem "Beowulf" dates to a time of transition from Pagan belief in the Nordic gods to the much newer Christianity. Within the time frame of the story, Christianity is something of a anachronism, but by the time the story is committed to paper, it has become far more reaching. The movie's references to Odin remind us that this is supposed to be the story behind the poem, not the poem itself.
These were not arbitrary changes, but had been given serious thought by very adept storytellers. It was, unfortunately, lost on the masses.
***** When I am king you will be first against the wall.
I thought the film hinted that this film portrays the events that influenced the poem.
Meaning, they dont have to be the same. There are a few examples in the film of stories being exaggerated or changed as theyre told. Look at the last exchange of dialogue when Beowulf dies "You killed Grendels mother a long time ago, when we were young".
So you can look at it this way:
The film shows the actual events. The poem exists, as told and changed from person to person to person until it was written down, obviously different from the way things "really happened".
i like ur interpretation...i mean this film isnt for fans of the poem but fans of action. i read the poem but it is much to straightforward theres not a deep plot but it is still wonderful (the poem i mean)
basically the movie is good if u dont compare it to the epic poem..
Yep, I'm agreeing with P93 in this - the poem is the poem, the film is the film. They are two completely different genres, designed for two totally different audiences. They both work brilliantly in their own sphere. I had a mate whom I once asked if he wanted to see Troy (one with Brad). And he said No, because it diverged so greatly from the original Homeric epic - I thought what a nerd, and really enjoyed the film.
Maybe people despised this movie because its title is Beowulf, which suggest them that this movie must be a visualization of the poem. If they changed the title into something else, like Outlander (this is another movie that tell us a bit different story about Beowulf legend, Beowulf is from another planet here) the response might be different.
You probably hated LOTR as well, *beep* wow-skinny-ass-nerd. I don't care if it's 100% faithful or not, as long as the characters become's alive like they did in this movie and LOTR trilogy, that's all that I matters.
All in all, someone needs to make Beowulf again and DO IT RIGHT so that we forget all about this movie. Because to me, this movie is just one big mistake like almost every other book-to-movie adaption Hollywood does these days...
Now the reason why I insulted you is because you assume we all didn't like this movie.
Go watch some korean or any movie from india instead if you can't stand hollywood.
Watching this movie i can clearly say that this isnt the typical action movie. It has a deep story very simular to scandinavian lore of that time although it might have been tilted a little bit more to the action, the story is still there and there are alot of scenes that would tire the typical action seeking fan. Also regarding the OP mistake list, just makes the movie and the story alot more powerfull and in your face although it might sadden someone pretending to be very cultural having just read the story. Its funny you mentioned you liked the movie before reading the poem (ironic that you called someone that liked it an uncultured idiot). Also when movies are based on books means they dont have to follow the storyline to perfection (remember "based"). Judge a movie based on the movie itself dont start comparing it to something the movie was based on.