In 2008 he famously beat Conan for the first time and received the alleged (according to Bill Carter) golden handcuffs deal with CBS which meant he'd inherit Dave's show. So fast forward to now and the question is whether if CBS really believed in him at the time (BIG if) why did Craig's show start becoming less attractive to CBS?
I tend towards it being a variety of factors around 2010. Craig's show started really getting talked about around 2009 but this coincided with a lot of changes. There was a big reduction in writers which meant fewer sketches (prettymuch none at all in the new studio) and a more improvised monologue. The additional advert break meant no more 15 minute monologues and although his karaoke cold opens got people talking they couldn't go on forever.
For me the show started to go downhill after the famous episode without an audience with Stephen Fry. It was a bold and creative move but strangely after that he seemed reluctant to continue in this direction and suddenly it no longer got written about as much by critics such as Ken Tucker among others. Geoff made up for this by attracting new fans (imo!) but the downside to his introduction was that creatively the show seemed to have reached a dead end. The feeling that the show's structure was noww set in stone and had nowhere else to go coupled with the detoriation of Craig's monologue and the show's move to the new studio I think hastened its demise.
Do you agree? Was it just a case of the show peaking too early or could there have been a better path it could have lead?
It seems that when he got the new studio, there were some talks about him taking over, and initially he made attempts at working cleaner but it seems he came to the conclusion that he would not enjoy doing the show given the additional constraints that would be put on him if he had.
After that, and I imagine there was some behind the scenes wrangling involved (they are clearly giving Corden more money than they ever gave Craig) because he stopped doing the puppets and the cold open dance numbers or any kind of skits and stuck with (even got into a bit of a rut with) Geoff and his monologue turned dialogue.
The thing is, even with all that and the clear reduction in quality and how much he cared, he was still the most interesting thing on late night with the most interesting and funny interviews / conversations with celebrities...but it was a bit of an aquired taste and people tuning in expecting a regular talk show would have been confused a bit I suspect.
It seems that when he got the new studio, there were some talks about him taking over, and initially he made attempts at working cleaner but it seems he came to the conclusion that he would not enjoy doing the show given the additional constraints that would be put on him if he had. ---- Yes, I remember that experiment and the backlash on here about the 3 minute monologue!
The truth is that listening to him ramble off the top of his head was usually funnier than any of the planned monologues from other shows anyways, and while it would have been nice to have seen the occational monologue sans geoff, sometimes that interaction was also utterly hilarious even if it wasn't about anything in particular and didn't contain any actual jokes.
I'm totally with you on Geoff but imo shows need some structure, preparation and fresh ideas as worthy as Craig's idea of making the show 100% improvised was. The feeling of a lot of people on here was that Craig put in as little effort as possible often taping shows weeks in advance. The magic of Craig's show used to be not being able to tell what was written for Craig and what he added but towards the end it was patently obvious he was winging it.
It does seem evident that he hit a point where he just didn't care enough to put much effort into it anymore. I suspect there was some behind the scenes wheeling and dealing that lead him to that conclusion but regardless even if they were on average flatter he still stood the greatest chance of getting me into hysterical laughter than any other monologue (which most never would) and his interviews were still by far more interesting to watch and it didn't always look like a blatant promo piece all the time.
Corden seems to be finding his footing a bit at least but still the interviews don't even come close to what Craig had.
You talk about the new studio and him working cleaner but here is my opinion. I actually felt like anything prior to the new studio in August 2012 was pretty clean. I don't know how you all felt but I felt as though anytime Craig would talk dirty or make a dirty joke he never really went through with it, it was always hinted at, he never went indepth where as later on it was like.......everything is sex, gay sex, gay men having sex, straight guys having sex with other straight guys, girl sex, every pun had to do with sex, sex sex sex! What's the point?
As for Craig as a man. I always believed him when he said it was just a job, it wasn't his life. What that meant to me was he did it as long as he had fun. WHen Craig took on that extra 2 hours for all that extra money he should have put 100% effort in every night. He didn't. That surprised me because I thought he had pride in himself and his job. Right up until the last night of the show, he had no pride in it nor himself and that makes me sad because I wanted him to be that person, I wanted him to be the kind of man he made himself out to be. I wanted him to be the type of person to say I don't need your millions of dollars anymore, I'm not having fun, I want to do something else and instead he took the millions of dollars and done nothing for over 2 years. Even if he didn't put in 100% of effort, surely he could have at least look at what HE USED TO DO, and WHY PEOPLE USED TO LIKE IT and say ok.......i'll keep giving them that kind of show. But he didn't.
And ending on Geoff. I've no doubt that Craig was the one wanting Geoff to talk more. Craig was always more funnier on his own but I don't blame Josh Robert Thompson for taking advantage of Craig's laziness and trying to get in the limelight for himself. Having said that......I don't think Josh Robert Thompson has that much to be proud of because he clearly was affected by fans opinions. It clearly bothered him early on that people didn't like his style of comedy or the dirty sex talk or the constant reptition on the show, the same material every night. If he had any pride in himself or any pride in his performance he SHOULD HAVE said ok, I'll let Craig do the same thing every night but I'll do something different. I won't do dirty jokes. I won't do the same impressions. I'll try and break away from it and let people see how funny I am but he didn't do that did he? No he just followed suit and did the same thing night after night. Even when was a guest on it with Drew Carey, what did he do? Morgan Freeman and Robert DeNiro impressions? Really? This is the guy that moaned about how people always ask him to do those impressions and talk like Geoff yet the ONE big moment he gets in the sun as himself, the one big shot he has to really show off how funny he is........he goes back to what people know him for? I don't know about any of you but to me that just says there is nothing else there. Probably Morgan Freeman and Robert DeNiro are the only funny impressions he can do and there's not much else there talent wise.
I could sit and rant all day about it. I watched clips from 2010 and couldn't believe how much younger Craig looked. He looked old last year and yet I've seen him do stuff since then and he looks like his old self and looks young in the face. Maybe just all the makeup!
My recollection was that after the new studio, and I do believe it had all but handed in his resignation when they offered the new studio and CBS took over part of the show, he put some time into trying harder and doing things a bit more 'late night' but it didn't last long and he must have decided that another 10 years or more of that (assuming he got Late Night) would kill him.
After that he was very minimalist, which while it may have been disapointing still left him as the funniest thing on late night with the most interesting conversations with stars.
I am only irritated because I imagine it COULD have been that much better.
I liked the show in the early years, too. The "sex" jokes were innuendo, letting your mind go to those places. His monologues were stunning then.
I've caught the game show a couple of times, and I'm glad it's doing well for him. I hope this is just a resting period and he tries stretching himself in new ways.
I think he wanted to leave before the new studio was built. They offered him more money and a new studio so he stayed for the wrong reasons. I think Craig regrets staying as long as he did on the show.
An interesting comparison is with Jimmy Kimmel who was also on at a later time slot. In the beginning his show was great: - live, not taped - open bar in the green room and all the wildness that comes from that - De-emphasis on monologue and emphasis on desk chat - many conflicts with the censors - overall very loose, unstructured and rather amusing, at least to me
Apparently this wasn't to the tastes of the suits. So what did we see? - taped in advance - closing down the bar - Emphasis on monologue; he even started standing on a special plank that protruded out into the audience - much more structure and predictability
Consequentially the show feels sort of bland now, at least to me, but apparently that impressed the suits and Jimmy got the 11:30 time slot and kicked the venerable Nightline to the time slot after him. Jimmy was willing to play the game and get the reward.
I think Craig faced similar dilemmas, but was just unwilling to sell out.
It really appeared to go down hill almost immediately after his sister left. I cannot say specifically, if this had anything to do with the decline, but the reduction was distinctly noticeable in the following weeks.
He beat Conan. He beat Jimmy Fallon. But it was when Seth Meyers came in that he faltered. I don't know why. I've watched Meyers, and Ferguson's show is much better. I really miss it. I'm glad there are clips on YouTube. I'd like to see his show on Comedy Central or some cable channel.